Just how analgesic *IS* ACP?

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As per title really. If horse was 3/10ths lame and on 3x25mg ACP twice a day, would you expect them to look better or the same when trotted up?
 
I didn't think ACP was a pain reliever, my mare has it to ***calm*** her down (ok to stop her from broncking round her stable whilst she's on box rest)...it certainly makes no difference to her lameness!!
 
It has very poor analgesic properties if any at all. At that dose it might induce some sedation which could affect his way of going, but it wouldn't mask a lameness.
 
Hmm yes the broncing constantly is why Ronnie has it, but I was reading last night that it is also an analgesic and used for pain relief. Whenever Ronnie has it (or ACP) he looks less lame. That may be a coincidence of course.
 
um i dont know! its used for lamanitics but i think thats too increase blood flow and therefore make them slightly sounder. i think!
 
Nah it's a rubbish analgesic; data sheet actually advises against its use as a sedative for painful procedures because it is no good. If he's looking sounder then it's probably genuine!
 
I didn't think it was analgesic either
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It is a sedative rather than an analgesic!
That said it is a mild vasodilator and is often prscribed for laminitics to increase blood flow, for that reason it may show slight benefit in some specific lameness'.
But you wouldn't use it primarily as a painkiller.
 
Oh how odd, and I wouldn't have thought M Horace Hayes' "Veterinary Notes for Horse Owners" would have been wrong (it's in nith the latest editions). Maybe I'm just reading it wrong
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Acp is used as a premed before an operation in dogs, it has also been used as a sedative for horses, dogs and even cats but is rather unpredictable as each animal has its' own immunity against it, one dog may require 1 tab but another of the same size may need 2! Plus the more its used in an individual the more that animal builds a resistance to it. I've never heard of it being used solely as a painkiller, the analgesic properties it may have in conjunction with the sedation would help pre and post op with keeping the animal calmer and help with the pain alongside a stronger painkiller.

For reference it also does not dull the senses only the muscle ability. (just a little info you might like to know!!)
 
Thank you that's really interesting, I find Ronnie only needs a small amount to be "out". I spoke to my vet yesterday and he thinks in such small doses there is not likely to be any analgesic effect, but in large quantities (larger than you'd normally give, by the sounds of it), then it would perhaps be. He said most sedatives are pain killers too.
 
Didn't think it was. Perhaps it's been prescribed to keep the horse from over exerting himself whilst unsound? Don't know - but I've always been lead to belive it is a sedative only, not an analgesic product.
 
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