Just one more... before I make my final decision, TB event stallions?

madhector said:
So, being so set on a Trakehner I have sort of discounted my favourite breed, the TB, so incase there are any out there that I havent heard of, can people please recommend some classy TB event stallions that move!


Thanks :)
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stravinsky!!!!! ooooo or golden heights????
 
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he is a lovely horse, he was at louella when i used him, would like to put our current broodmare to him to get an eventer/p2per, but we're breeding flat horses at the moment!
 
Unproven at the moment as only 3 although first mares scanned in foal but our boy American Agent has spectacular movement
 
“Set Adrift at Woodlander stud - real mover, seriously atheltic and a cracking pedigree.”................OK, any successful progeny?

“King of the Hill II”..........has a lot of retireds and eliminateds, any successful offspring?

“Set Adrift”...............a quote from a web site with him on “with progeny competing in all 3 disciplines”...................what does that mean? Can find any with any success.

“Primo Pageant”....................any successful progeny in eventing?

“Hopalong Cassidy”................................any successful progeny in eventing?

“Roven”, now you’re talking, he has something in the top 1000 eventers in the world.
 
Templar Spirit - young, but lovely chap being brought forward for grading later this year, and great breeding for an eventing sire (Hand in Glove x Primitive Rising) :

http://www.templarstud.com/horsesheets/tspirit.html

If you would like to see more about Watermill Swatch, there are pictures and a report on a visit to Irish studs and stallions in a previous issue of the on-line Horsebreeders Magazine.

I love the look of Groomsbridge's American Agent, and we are hoping to get to visit him later in the spring.

Hope this hasn't confused you further! Also, reflecting the thread on Clarity on the Forum, I think its valuable to know who might be associated with particular stallions/studs and not being transparent about it, and who is posting out of a genuine enthusiasm for a stallion that they have seen/researched, but have no commercial links with
 
"Has sired advanced eventers in Ireland, has only stood over here for a couple of seasons but have seen some cracking stock by him bred over here and in Ireland" - Do you have any names or anywhere I can check this? I'm not knocking what you say, but I want to get away from subjective opnions and look at hard fact.
 
A stallion I was very interested in last year but who has not got many (any?) progeny on the ground yet is Mine. His bloodlines are absolutely top class for producing sports horses and he raced until he was 10 I think before retiring to stud sound. Now IMHO the most important thing for a stallion to pass on in eventing is soundness and most soundness issues are soft tissue based so using a stallion who has proven himself capable of standing up to extreme exercise and coming out sound is worthy of being considered.

At the stallion parades some people on here criticised him for not having flamboyant movement but I'd forgive him that on two points. Firstly he was fresh out of racing and had not been retrained to do a big trot or a big canter. And secondly he's raced hard all his life. He's going to have more worn joints than a sports horse of a similar age. He deserves a little leeway given regarding the fluency of his movement. Soundness is more important than movement every time.
 
harrietltb said:
"Has sired advanced eventers in Ireland, has only stood over here for a couple of seasons but have seen some cracking stock by him bred over here and in Ireland" - Do you have any names or anywhere I can check this? I'm not knocking what you say, but I want to get away from subjective opnions and look at hard fact.
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Unfortunately it is all just opinions on a forum and mine is that he will breed good eventers, there are others who will say he won't but that is the same with all stallions:rolleyes:. I have no conection with him apart from that I am using him this year on a couple of mares, as I was impressed by him when i went to see him last year.
I have done a quick bit of research on him and can only find 11 progeny registered in eventing, of those, 3 have been eventing more than 2yrs and 3 have not run yet, 2 have only run for 1 season and 1 has gone advanced(Royal Pageant). So the hit IMHO for getting an eventer is not to bad at all!! this however is just MY opinion.:D
 
Simsar said:
Unfortunately it is all just opinions on a forum and mine is that he will breed good eventers, there are others who will say he won't but that is the same with all stallions:rolleyes:. I have no conection with him apart from that I am using him this year on a couple of mares, as I was impressed by him when i went to see him last year.
I have done a quick bit of research on him and can only find 11 progeny registered in eventing, of those, 3 have been eventing more than 2yrs and 3 have not run yet, 2 have only run for 1 season and 1 has gone advanced(Royal Pageant). So the hit IMHO for getting an eventer is not to bad at all!! this however is just MY opinion.:D
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So discounting the 3 who have not run yet, (and I suppose really we should discount those who have only been out for a season or two) - 1 in 8 getting to Advanced is pretty good! What is emerging, the more research that you do on many of these stallions who are lesser known, or less strongly promoted, is how successful some of them are as regards progeny. Carousel, the sire of Carousel Quest, is a case in point; I would need to check back with his owner to get the exact figure, but I remember being amazed at the % of his offspring (a fairly small group) who were scoring significant successes when talking to her at the stud.

And, SS, agree about Mine - I think that the whole issue of robustness is going to become more important to breeders again, when perhaps its been a bit lost sight of recently. My guess would be that the current market is going to put more of an emphasis on breeding longer-lasting, robust event horses, and therefore looking harder at some of the better-known event sires, their record, and any health/soundness problems, will give us mare owners yet another challenge! But we would all want to be breeding youngsters who can expect to have a long competition career free, hopefully, from injury or unsoundness problems, rather than a shooting star who falls as rapidly as they rise .....
 
Just had a quick look in Weatherbys Return of Mares and can't see MINE listed, so perhaps only started covering this year?
 
Thanks for that to No_No i think it is pretty good too.

harriet is that enough fact for you? he has bred a grade A showjumper aswell!
 
You could also consider Kings Composer. He himself jumped to Grade C, just short of Grade B (I believe). He's a prolific sire of successful showing stock and has sired at least one Grade A SJer. I think I am right in saying that his initial books were very small and even when they did get bigger, mares had to be sent to Cornwall to be covered naturally, as his semen would not chill or freeze! However, it was either last year or the year before that they had a breakthrough and finally his semen will chill! He's been very successful with the BEF Futurity series, indeed he won the BEF Sire award in 2007! It is my opinion having seen a LOT of Kings' out of a wide variety of mares (from full TB's, warmbloods, draft horses and cobs) that he is a bit of a rarity in suiting most mares very well. I am exceptionally pleased with my 4yo by him, who is out of my WB mare. He's good looking, athletic and correct (County Show winner and BEF Eventing Champion at his venue and 3rd highest marked in the country), with a fabulous brain!
 
Does anyone have a link to Mine? I seem to remember him as a very tough, honest racehorse; down on his pasterns behind, presumably from a hard racing career, but still sound and an otherwise attractive horse. Is he still standing? I haven't seen him advertised this year. I was going to check him out further but lost track of him.
 
jamesmead said:
Does anyone have a link to Mine? I seem to remember him as a very tough, honest racehorse; down on his pasterns behind, presumably from a hard racing career, but still sound and an otherwise attractive horse. Is he still standing? I haven't seen him advertised this year. I was going to check him out further but lost track of him.
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James, latest I can find is this from Dec 09

http://www.allerthorpefarmstud.co.uk/blog.html
at that point it seems he was going to the National Stud to stand
 
I used to compete a horse by Primo Pageant. Granted it was in showjumping, he jumped up to 1.10m. Was good cross country. Real brave and had a terrific gallop. He was out of a Ballinvella x Clover Hill mare and HATED hard ground. I swear he'd jump the Hickstead Derby off a swamp but didn't like dry ground one bit.

Watermill Swatch is a gem. I'll be using him this year
 
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