Just seen this on Ebay

That, is a chainsaw bit, if you google image chainsaw bit there is a pic, and wikipedia gives info on it to the following;

"The Saw Chain Mouth

Types of bits: snaffle

What it is: As the name suggests, the mouthpiece is made out of a piece of chainsaw.

Uses: Extremely severe, and quite uncommon. The majority of trainers will not use such a bit. Note: due to the extreme severity, most equestrian organizations would not permit this bit in competition."
 
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Says its a Weaver leather Bicycle mule bit!!! Dont know where the leather is?
I was looking worldwide for a leather bit and that came up!
And one has been sold, poor mule!
 
rounded links placing even pressure over the tongue and moulding to the shape of the horses mouth...

or serrated edge...

kinda reckon a waterford is much nicer!
 
Not wanting to cause a debate but I wouldnt put that in my horses mouth but I have tried a waterford. He doesnt like pressure on his tongue, tried various ported bits etc etc etc and it was suggested to me as it isnt rigid and with light hands give him the relief he needs. I agree that it could be severe in the wrong hands but I suppose any bit could.
 
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Geraldine said:
I know it's not for your horse. :o I meant generally no equine could be bad enough to warrant that! Sorry - that comment was most definitely NOT aimed at you!
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:D:D:D:D
Sorry too :D
When I first read it, I thought omg, you think Im looking to buy a bit like that, then I re read and realised you could have just meant it in general.
Sorry I should have posted again to say that
:D:D
 
I first saw one of these when I was working at an old tack shop and clearing out the old rubbish, needless to say it went in the bin, I was horrified too
 
Weezy said:
What a stupidly naive comment.
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No, it's not. The waterford is an exceptionally severe bit that traps the narrow bars of the mouth between the nobbles and causes severe pain if lent on by the horse. That is why they never do. Each of the nobbles concentrates the pressure in small areas across the mouth and tongue. Of course it is not sharp like the bit in the OP, more like the pain of a bruise than a cut but it is a painful bit for the horse non the less.
 
OP- Bit of torture, a modern version of the wire bits from years ago.
As for the waterford, well for what its worth, I have several versions of such bit, and I would NOT classify them as severe. I use a waterford for XC, I get a fraction more control than a plain snaffle using it which is needed, but not as much as a pelham which isn't needed, so it works well for us and Meg has never objected.
The bit is designed to move, hence why horses can't lean on it as they don't get a solid purchase on it. The nodules are far too big and rounded to pinch anythng!
 
must say I worked as a groom on a well known showing yard (i know Im not allowed to name names) some 10 years ago and most (he had roughly 30-40 ridden show horse stabled) of the horses there were ridden in these bits, and worse. The state I saw some horses mouths get in to broke my heart. I lasted a week there, i couldnt bear what I was seeing, I felt sooooooooo bad for the horses I left behind who were dying for love :(
 
Lollii said:
Eh? :confused: what a load of rubbish!
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Unfortunately it isn't. Many bitting experts have described te waterford as extremely severe. It works by inflicting pain by creating small areas of concentrated pressure in the mouth. I know that not everone agrees with this view but those who don't offer no counter argument to explain why it is not severe. They just say things such as 'I use it and my horse is fine'. That is not a logical argument as they cannot feel what the horse is feeling. Horses have very thin bars in their mouth and these get caught between the nobbles on the waterford chain. They act by inflicting pain. Bits like the pelham on the other hand, are 'strong' bits. They do no act through inflicting pain. They act through leverage but the mouth piece is smooth and usually quite thick (often rubber). They could cause pain if used by inexperienced riders or those with poor hands however. The waterford will inflict pain even with good hands as the design means that even the slightest pressure on the bit for turning etc will trap the mouth bars.
 
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Actually a Waterford is the only bit my horse likes. She is ultrasensitive to anything touching the roof of her mouth (throws her head up violently, even with a link in the middle, so she does tell me she doesn't like them), & also reacts when I try straight bars, rubber, metal or plastic. The Waterford 'moulds' & sits quietly, she is very calm, doesn't throw her head about & goes very well in it. Any bit can be used to cause pain. From listening to my horse using various bits & bitless alternatives, this is what she tells me she is most comfortable in.
 
Waterford Mouthpiece - Copied from the Horse Bit Shop *Bit Experts*

The Waterford mouthpiece has proved one of the most popular bits for bitting problems such as leaning, taking hold of the bit, setting the jaw ect, when the horse tries to lean or take hold of the bit, the waterford mouthpiece collapses, thus the horse has nothing rigid to take hold of.

It encourages the horse to work of their quarters and carry themselves rather than using the bit as a ‘bike handle’ to lean on. This bit has several joints and distributes the pressure of the mouthpiece over both the tongue and bars.

:):) Also this bit may look severe, this is quite a mild bit and due to the mobility of the mouthpiece it generally suits any breed of horse and mouth confirmation. :):)

The Waterford mouth should be worn ¼” - ½” longer than any other mouthpiece as the mouthpiece needs to curl slightly around the lips to enable the bit to work to its full potential (except the Waterford Pelham – as the mouthpiece is worn the normal length).
 
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