Just seen this on Facebook!!

Firstly they shouldn't have allowed the girl to ride that horse in the first place the videos make it clear he is NOT a novice ride .

Secondly , why was she not put on the lunge to walk and trot around before letting her do her own thing ??
 
horse.love92 said:
Firstly they shouldn't have allowed the girl to ride that horse in the first place the videos make it clear he is NOT a novice ride .

Secondly , why was she not put on the lunge to walk and trot around before letting her do her own thing ??
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It's clearly not a novice ride and I hope the viewers copied those videos from Facebook before they disappear .
But the rider is not a beginner and I have never asked someone to be lunged when they try a horse .
The rider had already hacked out the horse without an issue I suspect once it got in the school it was expecting another mad jumping session .
The sellers are luckly it was ' just ' a broken tailbone .
 
Goldenstar said:
It's clearly not a novice ride and I hope the viewers copied those videos from Facebook before they disappear .
But the rider is not a beginner and I have never asked someone to be lunged when they try a horse .
The rider had already hacked out the horse without an issue I suspect once it got in the school it was expecting another mad jumping session .
The sellers are luckly it was ' just ' a broken tailbone .
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Totally right -
It's possible that the horse was sensible out hacking but once in the school thought ' oh yes jumping time , time to speed up' I've known horses to get really whizzy like this in the school before because they associate it with jumping . I would put it past these dealers that all they have done is jump and jump this horse in the school.
Both dealers I've used in the past have insisted I go on the lunge no matter what my skill level is .
 
horse.love92 said:
Totally right -
It's possible that the horse was sensible out hacking but once in the school thought ' oh yes jumping time , time to speed up' I've known horses to get really whizzy like this in the school before because they associate it with jumping . I would put it past these dealers that all they have done is jump and jump this horse in the school.
Both dealers I've used in the past have insisted I go on the lunge no matter what my skill level is .
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I have been buying horses for over forty years and have never been asked to ride on the lunge.
 
Spring Feather said:
Lol I've been at the buying game the same length of time as you and neither have I!
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Must be a thing down my way that people do . Makes sense though especially if people do say they have the skills to ride a well bres SJ/Event horse when they clearly don't . Seem to have a lot of people like that where I live !
 
horse.love92 said:
Must be a thing down my way that people do . Makes sense though especially if people do say they have the skills to ride a well bres SJ/Event horse when they clearly don't . Seem to have a lot of people like that where I live !
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I sell quite a lot of horses and I think most of my buyers would be mortified if I told them they were going on the lunge before riding the horse lol. If I can tell on the ground that they aren't going to be right for the horse, or aren't experienced enough then I'd just not let them get on the horse. You can usually tell by the way people interact with horses, plus I do get them to do little jobs getting the horse ready first just so I can see where they're at with dealing with horses.
 
This thread is bizarre - the horse is not a novice ride, that much is clear. And the owners were bang out of order to suggest that it was. However, I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest from those videos that the horse is dangerous, in severe pain, terrified, needs completely restarting, or that the owners might as well give up on it's ridden career. And while the rider didn't do anything wrong to set the horse off like that, once it was going she spent however many circuits using the reins to hang on, so it is somewhat unsurprising that the horse just kept running.

The horse was not a novice ride, end of story. I hope the owners get the book thrown at them for suggesting it was and putting that poor girl in that position. But you can't condemn the horse on the basis of those videos - I actually quite like the look of it.
 
DabDab said:
This thread is bizarre - the horse is not a novice ride, that much is clear. And the owners were bang out of order to suggest that it was. However, I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest from those videos that the horse is dangerous, in severe pain, terrified, needs completely restarting, or that the owners might as well give up on it's ridden career. And while the rider didn't do anything wrong to set the horse off like that, once it was going she spent however many circuits using the reins to hang on, so it is somewhat unsurprising that the horse just kept running.

The horse was not a novice ride, end of story. I hope the owners get the book thrown at them for suggesting it was and putting that poor girl in that position. But you can't condemn the horse on the basis of those videos - I actually quite like the look of it.
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Yeah, I quite like the look of it too, but I wouldn't ride it. And I'm not a novice, but if it's got that idea in it's head it'll take a hell of a lot to sort it out. I'd rather go buy something without the psycho streak, thank you very much.
 
Dab dab, I agree - I feel rather sorry for it. It is what people have made it, and branding it as dangerous for what wasn't an outrageous behaviour (had the rider been competent to deal with it, as opposed to an unsuspecting novice who was informed it was safe) won't do it many favours in the long run.
 
DabDab said:
This thread is bizarre - the horse is not a novice ride, that much is clear. And the owners were bang out of order to suggest that it was. However, I think it's a bit of a stretch to suggest from those videos that the horse is dangerous, in severe pain, terrified, needs completely restarting, or that the owners might as well give up on it's ridden career. And while the rider didn't do anything wrong to set the horse off like that, once it was going she spent however many circuits using the reins to hang on, so it is somewhat unsurprising that the horse just kept running.

The horse was not a novice ride, end of story. I hope the owners get the book thrown at them for suggesting it was and putting that poor girl in that position. But you can't condemn the horse on the basis of those videos - I actually quite like the look of it.
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Oh gosh I so agree with you! Some people are being a little overly dramatic in saying how dangerous it is. To me it's just a lively horse, the sort I used to ride all the time and had a great deal of fun riding :smile3: I'm sure it will find a suitable home with someone who has as much zest as it. Them advertising it as a novice ride horse isn't on however, as we all agree.
 
That's the thing you dont need to buy horses with weird streaks in them however riding that horse might feel very different to how it looks on the clip.
It might not be as big an issue as it looks in the right home.
But definitely for the young and experienced problem sorter don't think my joints are up to it now.
 
This is why I hate horse hunting. I honestly couldn't go through it again.

Nothing too wrong with the horse (I used to ride a 13.2 pony exactly the same) but her owners when selling were completely honest about who came to see her and assessed riding ability on a quieter horse before putting on the little mare. She's now in a fab home loving life because she was described accurately. This horse could probably have the same outcome if advertised well enough but instead he'll probably get passed pillar to post and get branded as 'dangerous.'
 
DabDab said:
And while the rider didn't do anything wrong to set the horse off like that, once it was going she spent however many circuits using the reins to hang on, so it is somewhat unsurprising that the horse just kept running.
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What else would you expect her to do? She was a novice. The horse was supposed to be suitable for a novice. It shouldn't have been 'running' in the first place. Turning the cards round, say if it was an accident, if the horse WAS suitable for a novice it should have came back to a walk ASAP even if the rider was clinging on for dear life.

I personally couldn't be bothered with it, but if I did take it on, yes I would bring it back to basics as there's no way approaching a jump like that is acceptable no matter how much it likes it.
 
holeymoley said:
What else would you expect her to do? She was a novice. The horse was supposed to be suitable for a novice. It shouldn't have been 'running' in the first place.
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Exactly - my point was that while the horse was clearly not a novice ride and was horrendously misdescribed it's not necessarily dangerous. TBH I don't even think that the owners could be described as negligent - given that the horse is obviously sharp and lively, what they did was deliberately misleading. Like I said in the remainder of my post, I hope the owners get the book thrown at them, because it appears that was their lies, and their lies alone, that created such a dangerous situation.
 
Well done that girl for staying on as long. To offer this as suitable for a novice is criminal imo and if this is correct, the people who did so need prosecuted for any damages to the poor girl. While the horse might not be as dangerous to an experienced capable rider, the combination of a novice and this horse certainly is and if the sellers knowingly put the 2 together imo its a reckless endagerment of someones life.
 
Omg poor girl, hope her confidence isn't too affected by this and hope she is ok. Well done for staying on so long! I had a similar experience when viewing a horse to buy but this happened while hacking and going down a very steep hill. Luckily I escaped with a bloody nose and lots of cuts and bruises and nothing serious!
 
She was doing so well too. Pity she lost her stirrups, i think if she's managed to keep them she'd have stayed on. Poor girl. What a shame some idiot put her onto a horse so clearly unsuitable to novices which lookes very scared and spooked in the video.
 
Sympathy for the girl not nice and the one thing I dread ever happening to me.

But has anyone seen the original advert for the horse? Or is all info from one side of the fence?

Not saying the owners are right in any shape or form - just curious.
 
Just for clarification I didn't say the horse was dangerous, I was saying I can't believe the owner let the girl on the horse when they know its not suitable for her; making it dangerous for the girl.
 
a friend of mine had a welshy that jumped just like that when we were teens. Pony cleaned up locally-won every open when opens were very decent and even beat the local pros in unaffiliated puissance. He was a nutter and it was very much steer and stay on-but there wasn't much wrong with him either. Looks like this horse has been razzed up or allowed to stay that way but reckon a competitive teen could have some fun on him. Would I want any of mine to go that way?no-doesn't make him a bad buy for the right person based on those videos.

Hope the girl continues to ride, being taken off with in an enclosed space is scarier IMO than in an open space and I hope the sellers have learned a lesson about advertising!
 
Personally I would have asked to view videos of the horse before I travelled 2hrs to see him/her. And judging by those videos I would know straight away it isnt for a novice rider.

Definitely not a dangerous horse though. Its tough one as there is right and wrong on both sides, horses can be unpredictable and even the most quiet ones can have their moments. After all, no one will know why the horse took off, but naturally they are flight animals!

Hope Sophie has a quick recovery and not put off by that experience!
 
I wouldn't say it's dangerous, but I would suspect pain of some sort to cause it to react like that. Poor girl, but poor horse now if people are going to brand it as dangerous.
 
I quite like the horse, it needs schooling properly but looking at the video, I felt the rider was unprepared when she asked for trot, she became unbalanced, the horse ran to balance itself and the girl pulled on its mouth and became further unbalanced, was unable to bring the horse back and the horse became spooked.
We don't know the whole scenario, but the sellers may have assumed the rider was more competent than she was. Given that she had owned a previous horse and appeared confident, both parties have some responsibility for what happened.

That said, if the sellers did market it as a novice ride, they described the horse incorrectly.
I feel really sorry for the girl, if, say, she had owned her previous horse for some time and only ridden that one, it can be quite a wake up call to realise your skills aren't quite as good as you think they are.

Perhaps there should be more advice for buyers and sellers about how to keep horse and rider safe when selling or loaning. Sometimes common sense gets forgotten.
 
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