Just seen this on Facebook!!

fattylumpkin said:
I really hope she recovers, a fractured coccyx isn't something you can walk off in a day or two :( Really really sad that the owners knowingly put a novice in danger too.
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Completely offtopic - You have the best username in the world. My laptop is called Fatty Lumpkin and I hope to name a pony that one day.
 
It doesn't look suitable for a novice, and I'd be less than impressed with whoever branded it as such for sale, but I wouldn't say it looks dangerous either. Rubbishly schooled, though.
 
Even if Sophie is not a complete novice the horse was described as being suitable for one according to facebook/OP.

These people shouldn't be selling a horse that bolts without warning potential buyers and he is certainly not suitable for a novice or a child.

In the other videos of the horse he just looks to be excitable rather than dangerous.
 
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Absolutely disgraceful!! In an idea work owners should be prosecuted for attempted manslaughter or endangering a minor.

Incredible that she stayed on for so long, well done!
Hope it doesn't make her give up! Honestly if she sat that long to that then she should do really well with a nice horse

In videos where girl his riding him in woods and over jumps, you can see why he behaves the way he does. He's been totally ruined and if he were mine, would do nothing but ground work for 6 months then 'started' from scratch very very slowly.

I've only ever had anything similar once and that was my new lad took off across the show ring doing just that )not as bad) But at least I was cantering and his first time in a show. Plus he stopped when I pulled him up
Even that scared me too death lol
 
Poor girl, how scary for her. That is a totally unsuitable horse for someone describing themselves as a novice and the sellers should be ashamed of themselves.
 
tabithakat64 said:
Even if Sophie is not a complete novice the horse was described as being suitable for one according to facebook/OP.

These people shouldn't be selling a horse that bolts without warning potential buyers and he is certainly not suitable for a novice or a child.

In the other videos of the horse he just looks to be excitable rather than dangerous.
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Exactly, that's sort of the point I was trying to make...in a rather roundabout way.

When I was looking for a friend for Ned, I was originally looking for one I could ride. I was only really drawn to the ones that said "Novice ride" because truth be told, I'm really nervous to ride anything apart from Ned. It probably would have been a very different outcome if they had said it was likely to do that and she was still interested. If they had told her and prepared her and told her what signs to watch out for etc...

I think any horse can be dangerous, if you tell the wrong person, the wrong thing. If I had told a novice/nervous rider that Ned was fine to hack alone and gave them no warning of what he might do or how to handle it, that could well be classed as dangerous.

Again, in a very roundabout way, I guess I'm saying you should never sell your horse as a novice ride, if it simply isn't. Someone I know of is selling her NOT novice ride horse, it's extremely sharp and a bit scary, but she told the truth and didn't miss a thing. It's gone to a very good home!
 
Well, your friend is a responsible, honest and ultimately sensible person then. An awful lot of horse sellers are not these things - something neatly encapsulated in the wise words of an ancient Roman HHO'er "caveat emptor - let the buyer beware"
 
I totally get what Chan is saying... Whats the point in lying. If this horse had been advertised as fast, super forward going, loves to jump, not for novice but would suit calm, experienced and competant rider then he may have found a brilliant home. He's not for me but I know some competitive teenagers who would probably love him... After all one persons forward going fun ride is another persons maniac.
 
Poor girl. That will have shattered her confidence.

The horse may not be all-out dangerous but it is most certainly a dangerous horse for a novice. Or in fact even a fairly competent rider (as the girl in the video appears to be). Anything that reactive and excitable would be! I have a just broken 3yr old who's an athletic and sensitive soul but I very doubt he'd behave like that to a novice rider.

I know (and had) that kind of horses unfortunately and they are always potentially dangerous. Sharp, overly sensitive and panic-y. They've never really fully accepted a rider on their backs and panic and run if something goes wrong slightly wrong, then frighten themselves even more. I very much doubt the horse was being even slightly naughty. She asked a little too strongly for trot, he cantered, she asked (nicely by the look of it) to slow down again and the horse just paniced at being corrected. Then the more she asked him to slow down the more paniced he got. Poor girl and poor horse.
 
Well I think she was lucky to be walking away from that one, the way the horse acted I thought the out come would of been a lot worse. The rider luckily wasn't a true novice which helped matters, in my eyes that horse is dangerous. The owners very stupid to and I hope are dragged though the courts as that could of easily ended very very badly. Someone really needs to be reconsidering that horses ridden career, I used to work in a rescue centre and had these types in often, it's not always pain, but after years and years of reschooling, some don't come right and can't be ridden. I wouldn't be surprised if this one of them. And no one should be jumping a horse that's jumps like that, excited or not its not on
 
wowwwww
(a) i don't know what i would have done myself...
(b) after he/she (the horse) got the poor girl off, he/she almost stopped and stood still. i would have thought the horse have had some education already. may be he/she was taught to canter that way...
(c) the poor girl did well to stay on for that long...
wowwwww again
 
The poor girl trying it didn't do anything obviously wrong, and hung on well. The vendors should be shot.[/QUOTE]

My words exactly. why oh why do people feel the need to lie? I mean at some point your going to get found out. Just shows how thick the sellers are!
Well done to the rider she deserves a medal. I hope she went and gave the sellers a right good b0ll0king too :mad:
 
Costypop said:
Well I think she was lucky to be walking away from that one, the way the horse acted I thought the out come would of been a lot worse. The rider luckily wasn't a true novice which helped matters, in my eyes that horse is dangerous. The owners very stupid to and I hope are dragged though the courts as that could of easily ended very very badly. Someone really needs to be reconsidering that horses ridden career, I used to work in a rescue centre and had these types in often, it's not always pain, but after years and years of reschooling, some don't come right and can't be ridden. I wouldn't be surprised if this one of them. And no one should be jumping a horse that's jumps like that, excited or not its not on
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That's a lot to work out from three short videos yes it bolted with the rider who tried bravely to stay on if she had got into a two point seat it might have gone differently .
And as for jumping I have owned and retrained several horses who jumped just like that they all became great brave horses one much wilder than the one in the video went from never eventing to three stars in three years and was a fantasic horse.
I do feel however that horse does not look in any way suitable for a novice and should not have been advertised as such

The owners insurer assuming they are intelligent enough to have insurance will say the rider assumed the risk when she got on and it will be up to the riders lawyers to prove there was negligence .
I know this because this happened to me .
In my case there where things that my barristers felt they could clearly argue that there was negligence however on reflection I decided it was not what I wanted to do and took it on the chin.
 
amymay said:
Lord, what a beautiful video and the most wonderful horse. Heartbreaking to have lost him.
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I know poor girl. Lost a dear friend, goes to look for a replacement and that is what happens to her. I really hope she isn't put off trying to find something else :(
 
We had this when my sister was looking for a horse. We spoke at length to the owner about the horse and stressed time and time again that my sister was a NOVICE and was looking for a safe sensible horse. The seller insisted that it was safe, and that her Grandmother rode him regularly.

Anyway we got there to find a nice IDx. The girl rode it and he was fine and she rode him for a good 20 mins, when my sister got on, he was a bit unsettled, and then he just reared up, smacked my sister in the face and then took off. Luckily my sister managed to stop him but ended up in A&E to have her lip stitched up. Turns out the Grandmother used to event - so not your run of the mill Granny!! We made a claim against the woman's insurance and got a pay out for my sister's injury as we had a email trail detailing the fact that she had said he was safe and showing how we stressed the need for a novice ride.
 
Hexx said:
We had this when my sister was looking for a horse. We spoke at length to the owner about the horse and stressed time and time again that my sister was a NOVICE and was looking for a safe sensible horse. The seller insisted that it was safe, and that her Grandmother rode him regularly.

Anyway we got there to find a nice IDx. The girl rode it and he was fine and she rode him for a good 20 mins, when my sister got on, he was a bit unsettled, and then he just reared up, smacked my sister in the face and then took off. Luckily my sister managed to stop him but ended up in A&E to have her lip stitched up. Turns out the Grandmother used to event - so not your run of the mill Granny!! We made a claim against the woman's insurance and got a pay out for my sister's injury as we had a email trail detailing the fact that she had said he was safe and showing how we stressed the need for a novice ride.
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Well, d'you know I actually don't agree with you on this: if the horse was fine with the owner, then reacted badly to a strange rider (your sis), I don't think the owners necessarily are to blame - how are they to blame? I doubt that they were any less surprised than you were with how their horse reacted. Horses are funny things; they can often behave in unpredictable ways.
 
Goodness! well I thought Sophie (if that is her name) did amazingly well to stay on with a decent position for all that time. I definitely think the horse was dangerous - not impressed that as soon as she came off, he stopped. Very scary to watch and I am sorry she fractured her coxxyx - you can have trouble for yearrs from that. I am with those very critical of the sellers!
 
The horse was well behaved on a hack but became a nutter in the school, i wonder if this fact has anything to do with there being jumps up, and he got over excited thinking he was going to be jumping, especially if he is allowed to career about over jumps!!
Not that that excuses what happened but may be an explanation!
 
Just watched the video again and at about 118 of the slo mo part it looks like the horse actually runs into the fence before turning.:eek:
 
This!!!

Speaking as a mother I would have been BLOODY livid and would have let the owner have it...

horse is NOT a novice ride, she did nothing overly offensive to cause such an extreme reaction - she did well to stay on for so long - personally I would have bailed!

No doubt based on other vids of the horse he would be a good prospect for an experienced rider - but its disgusting to think that someone would not be truthful about the fact that the horse not suitable for novices & based on the unfortunate riders video on her past horse she looks to be a competant rider..

Agree with Cortez re a horse not being totally settled with a different rider but that horse did show an extreme reaction and rider could have ended being hurt more than she was.

Jesstickle said:
I know poor girl. Lost a dear friend, goes to look for a replacement and that is what happens to her. I really hope she isn't put off trying to find something else :(
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Spiritedly said:
Just watched the video again and at about 118 of the slo mo part it looks like the horse actually runs into the fence before turning.:eek:
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I saw that, I thought the horse was going to jump the arena fence and that the rider anticipated it too - but he turned aside. She rode him pretty well imo with only one stirrup (that I could see). What an awful experience, he really went for it - Jeez can you imagine what that would do to a really novice rider?
 
Poor, poor girl. I hope her parents gave the seller a piece of their mind. If something like that happened to me, I'd be taking legal action!
 
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