Just stopped watching Martin Clunes prog

ldlp111 said:
Ok from what I understand a flank strap isn't put around there penis :confused: so not quite sure how you have come to this conclusion :confused:
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From the little I learnt re. rodeo horses when I lived in the States: if I remember rightly it is called a Bucking Strap. It's not attached to any 'appendage'. Again if I remember right, it's put around the flanks as that is a horse's sensitive area and it's where a big cat or other attacker would get a grip, hence making the horse determined to get off whatever it was that was on its back!

Bear in mind these are twenty-odd year memories I'm digging up, so I stand to be corrected!
 
I rewatched the programme last night. The only horse I saw in questionable condition was the 'calm but fast' Przewalski's-type horse on the Mongolian plains. Its ribs were clearly visible and there was very little mass on the rump. However, the rest were in remarkable condition. However, while he could do with putting weight on he appeared to be in good health - alert, bright eyed, good coat. With a herd that size and such competition for food, it's likely there'll be a few runts who are at the bottom of the pecking order.

Someone also said the knight's horse was in poor condition... if you mean Magic's winter coat needed a bit of a brush, then yes - correct. Otherwise he looked lean and fit: perfectly suited to his heavy work.

A wonderful mini-series, but an awfully ill-informed review in The Mirror. Typical red top...

In short, more episodes ITV please!!!
 
OP I have no clue where you got the idea that they strap their penis to make the buck! Thtas ridiculous the flank strap is in the place where a big cat would grap a horse in the wild also any pressure on that area make most horses buck. Rodeo is not cruel, the horses are very well looked after.

The only things in a rodeo at risk from serious damage are the people and they do it and their own will! It was a brilliant programme and its has annoyed me that people are slating it already you are entitled to opinions but you should have your facts straight before you slate a programme which has nothing wrong with it.
 
Ditto, I thoroughly enjoyed it! I'm also glad Martin did it and not a 'professional' as imo it made a much more intimate and personal program about an average horse person reflecting on horse culture, rather than having someone over question and over analyse -a little like what's happening on here!

Well done ITV, hope you make a follow up :)
 
saddlesore said:
Ditto, I thoroughly enjoyed it! I'm also glad Martin did it and not a 'professional' as imo it made a much more intimate and personal program about an average horse person reflecting on horse culture, rather than having someone over question and over analyse -a little like what's happening on here!

Well done ITV, hope you make a follow up :)
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I completely agree. Martin's a television presenter and he loves horses, why shouldn't he present the programme? The remit of the programme wasn't to criticise what goes on, it was to present the facts, which he did very well IMHO :)
 
Enfys, I saw a programme several years ago which stated that this was what the
strap did,and also was told this by someone who had been to a rodeo, why do you think the horses buck like that ?? If this is not now the case,
I do apologise, only stating what I had been led to believe.
 
Please don't forget that this programme was aimed at all sorts of people and the wrongs and rights were not the reason but horsepower and how it has helped develop our world in many different countries was. I personally think this was a fab insight for many people who had no idea about horses and had not even thought about the massive role that horses have and continue to have in our world.

If there are aspects you feel are wrong there are always charities you can donate too to help educate people to make things better!

Well done Martin thought you were fab, loved it when you said somthing along the lines of 'I wander what they think of us because I just love him'.
 
I thought it was boring, though enjoyed the bit where he was dressed in armour:p. Much preferred the one he did on dogs:D.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
try telling that to the mongolians- we do not have any business to criticise other cultures and countries.
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not quite so.

i could quite happily criticise other cultures and countries that enjoy bullfighting for example, or that traditionally threw donkeys off towers, and so on and so on (not saying my country is perfect here btw)

as it happens i myself am not criticising the mongolians, but i do reserve the right to criticise anything i consider wrong whatever country or culture it is happening in.
 
Sorcerers Apprentice said:
not quite so.

i could quite happily criticise other cultures and countries that enjoy bullfighting for example, or that traditionally threw donkeys off towers, and so on and so on (not saying my country is perfect here btw)

as it happens i myself am not criticising the mongolians, but i do reserve the right to criticise anything i consider wrong whatever country or culture it is happening in.
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I think rosie meant that 'we' in the national sense have no business criticising other cultures and countries. As individuals however, we are obviously entitled to hold our own opinions :)
 
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enfys said:
Only just seen this link Vonno. Thankyou for that:)

It is only available for viewing in the UK though irritatingly - rats!:(
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I`ve just done a search and it came up on google that its on youtube, i cant get on youtube because work blocks the site but have a look :) its well worth a watch!
 
Ayla84 said:
I`ve just done a search and it came up on google that its on youtube, i cant get on youtube because work blocks the site but have a look :) its well worth a watch!
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Thanks for that Ayla, we can not get any of the iplayers here either arrrgh!....must get Hubby to get on the roof and re-point the satelite again.
 
enfys said:
Can't actually tell from the picture below whether it is a he or a she, but I can't see anything strapped up underneath. In my opinion, strapping a dressage horse's mouth tight shut (for way longer than a couple of minutes) is far more constrictive and distressing for a horse than a flank strap, and what's with their swishy tails all the time too?

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cant see anythin strapped underneath? the strap i think ppl are referring to is the flank strap, its put there to annoy them, thats why they buck, and there is one on that horse!

dont get me wrong, im not against it, it doesnt hurt the horse in anyway, its just annoys them so they try get it off lol! but u cant say they dont strap anything to them caus they do!
 
bonnie93 said:
cant see anythin strapped underneath?

I think you read this out of context, I was talking about strapping the penis underneath the flank strap as rumour had it that they do

and ummm, yes, I did happen to notice the bucking strap was there. ;)
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touchstone said:
There is a website here which explains the use of the flank strap:- http://www.cowboyway.com/BroncRiding.htm

And another which covers the less glamorous side of the rodeo:- http://www.animalliberation.org.au/rodeos.php
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http://www.animalliberation.org.au/rodeos.php[/QUOTE]
[The RSPCA is opposed to rodeos because of the risk of injury].

What the hell has it got to do with them? Why don't they clear up their own backyard before sticking their nose in other countries?

Good to see examples from both sides.
 
niagaraduval said:
Enfys - I have been watching it on youtube as I didn't have english TV and couldn't view it on the ITV website either.

Hope this helps :)
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Just off to find it now, thankyou, and to Ayla.:D

Found it, that will keep me amused for a while.
 
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enfys said:
http://www.animalliberation.org.au/rodeos.php
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[The RSPCA is opposed to rodeos because of the risk of injury].

What the hell has it got to do with them? Why don't they clear up their own backyard before sticking their nose in other countries?

Good to see examples from both sides.[/QUOTE]

I think the second link is covering rodeos in Australia and they have their own RSPCA, but it is essentially the same as the American rodeos.
 
enfys I have a Q, not intended to be inflammatory! Just that in your pic, if that was a gelding... and am thinking of the location of my geldings bits ;) I am pretty sure that a strap in that area would interfere with his bits in some way just purely anatomically.

Daft I know but would love to see a pic with strap and bits free hanging if that makes sense.
 
ester said:
enfys I have a Q, not intended to be inflammatory! Just that in your pic, if that was a gelding... and am thinking of the location of my geldings bits ;) I am pretty sure that a strap in that area would interfere with his bits in some way just purely anatomically.

Daft I know but would love to see a pic with strap and bits free hanging if that makes sense.
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Not taken as inflammatory at all:) I do see where you are coming from. In my picture I genuinely couldn't say what gender the horse was. Right then, just off out to sling a strap around Zeus's backend out of curiosity, I will return.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/pominoz68/4941056656/in/pool-rodeo/ Lots in here to look at carefully

Right, this is a much clearer one, and I think I can definitely say that no, his bits aren't beneath the strap.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pominoz68/4940472061/in/pool-rodeo/
 
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I have only just caught up on the 2nd part of the program. Their bits might not be beneath the strap, but the strap is around the flanks as that is where the buck reflex comes from, isn't it? It's a sensitive area that will most likely cause the horse to buck when something is gripping around there. I understand there is training as well but the initial bucking comes from that strap. Else it wouldn't need to be there. It happens though, and i'm not going to turn off a good program or even look away just because i don't agree with something. It's not exactly cruelty, even if i don't like it. It looked more cruel on the rider to be honest, how do they not get whiplash being thrown around like that!?

I didn't much like the goat bit, but it didn't bother me enough to stop watching, just a bit gross rather than upsetting.

I want a mongolian horse. They look so gung ho and fun! Although when the arab clip was shown straight after it, it made it clear where my heart will always lie :D
 
I thought it was great family viewing, though preferred the first part as that French guy is just fantastic. saw him at olympia last year but seeing those horses work for him on a beach was just magical :)
Really love his relationship with his horse too-"I normally just give him carrots" :D
And hats off to him for not being worried about being filmed riding with a neck strap. Nice guy and smashing horse :)
 
Just watched it both programmes on You Tube due to a lack of proper TV here!

My only gripe was shame it could not have been longer some of the sessions that were 10 mins long would have made a very interesting whole programme...poor old Monty was a bit in and out! and being a Western girl would have loved to see more of the work on the Ranch (was hoping that Buck the Ranch Hand was going to get on a horse and show Martin just how to Pen....awesome to watch a real pro doing it).

Loved Martin Clunes, nice to actually see a nice bloke who loves horses presenting made it all very accessable and laughed out loud at some of his comments especially about the one about selling on the bucking horse without telling anyone and his "blooy hell" comments when the Arab was rearing over him.

All in all a good prog and that snivelling litte turd from the Red Top Rag that gave it a rubbish review should be made to Watch the entire series of Katie Prices upcoming Horsemanship Programme!
 
alma said:
Very disappointed at the inclusion of the bucking broncos in this show. I'm amazed that a so called civilised country still allows this to go on. I'd like to tie the rider's personal private bits in a strap and see how they like it.
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You might want to educate yourself before you go bashing things like this.

(Good) rodeos don't tie straps around the horses' genitals- they go under the flank. You can see that very clearly in this picture. It's even padded with sheepskin so it doesn't rub!

These horses are treated very well- good ones can be worth in the five figure range. They work a short period out of the year. Many of them would have been shipped to slaughter if it wasn't for this.

Here's a good article about bucking horses.
 
Padded? Well this page seems to suggest otherwise...

The bucking strap, the irritating device which is the main reason that rodeo horses buck, causes bloody and painful open wounds in the sensitive flank area. SHARK investigators document flank strap wounds at virtually every rodeo we investigate. Incredibly, rodeo apologists try to deny flank strap wounds even exist.


http://www.sharkonline.org/rodeocrueltyhorsebucking.mv
 
JosieB said:
Padded? Well this page seems to suggest otherwise...
they might suggest, and have photos to prove it, fair cop, but....there are also photos to PROVE that many are padded (http://www.flickr.com/groups/rodeo/pool/with/4830900156/ Oh and whilst you're looking at it, you can bitch about the bulls and the barrel racers nasty bits as well. ) He said, she said, isn't it.

The bucking strap, the irritating device which is the main reason that rodeo horses buck, causes bloody and painful open wounds in the sensitive flank area. SHARK investigators document flank strap wounds at virtually every rodeo we investigate. Incredibly, rodeo apologists try to deny flank strap wounds even exist.

http://www.sharkonline.org/rodeocrueltyhorsebucking.mv
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...and of course, no British horse EVER got a rub wound from an ill fitting piece of tack/harness :rolleyes:

Naturally there is good and bad in the rodeo world, exactly as there is in every other sphere of equestrianism, in everything come to think of it. Showing, dressage, racing (Grand National annually for a start) jumping, western riding - you name it, it has been slagged off here, and will be again. Nothing new in that.

Enough.

Each to their own.

You dislike rodeo and believe SHARK, I very much enjoy rodeo and believe my own eyes;)
 
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