Kali the mystery horse - wrong passport!

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So I had the vet out to do a silhouette for a new passport for Kali b/c his is a) useless; b) out of date (meaning not been updated since it was issued) - and learned more than I bargained for!

So not only is Kal's Polish passport a complete mystery (in that it contains next to no information - no dob, no height, no dam/sire) - but it apparently isn't even HIS! Vet came to do the silhouette for his new one and NONE of the distinguishing features (the pink on his muzzle, the colour of his hooves, the whorls on his face) are actually right. How bizarre - but according to the vet not altogether unusual. So . . . his name isn't even Kali. Shall we make a new one up? Answers on a postcard . . .

Oh, and how do I go about tracking his parentage/history now? He is microchipped but we don't know when that microchip was inserted - in Poland before his passport was issued (in which case we can find out more by contacting the microchip folks) - or after his passport was issued, in which case the only hope I have is the breeder named in his passport who: a) may not BE his breeder (since the passport belongs to another horse); b) only speaks Polish; and c) may not be able to identify Kal with the rather vague description of "grey gelding who may or may not have passed through your farm in roughly 2005."

Sigh.

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I think you will find most horse passports don't have the details, unless they are breed passports, my welsh sec d has date of month he was born, but not day, but as I bought him as a 2 year old, the rest I know. My filly, I've had from day 1, but my other two I had to make passport out for my mare, when it came in and my black gelding, just states 2001 and irsh x, even the microchip hadn't been activated when I bought him and I had to send money off to two different companies to put him in my name and get the microchip activated.
 
im sorry to hear this, passports really arent worth the paper they are on (imo) they are forged or given at sales before they enter the ring.

personally im fortunate as mine are breed passports, so they have full breeding, date of birth etc. I am happy that I can celebrate their birthdays with carrot cake! (me and them!)

im afraid the onlt thing i would suggest is try to contact the breeder - may help?
 
Echo Bravo said:
I think you will find most horse passports don't have the details, unless they are breed passports, my welsh sec d has date of month he was born, but not day, but as I bought him as a 2 year old, the rest I know. My filly, I've had from day 1, but my other two I had to make passport out for my mare, when it came in and my black gelding, just states 2001 and irsh x, even the microchip hadn't been activated when I bought him and I had to send money off to two different companies to put him in my name and get the microchip activated.
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But the silhouette is wrong . . . it's not just that it doesn't have details . . . it actually describes a totally different grey gelding!

It has NO dob . . . no month, no year . . . just date of issue. It's way worse than useless.

Kinda makes a mockery of passporting in general tbh.

As far as passporting goes, Kal doesn't exist . . . never mind a record of his owners, etc. The only vacc details IN his passport are from his last owner and me . . . well he didn't spring newly formed three years ago so he must have had previous owners (including his Polish breeder/owner) and there are NO records of vacc from them in his passport.

It's a joke, frankly.

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Dancing Queen said:
im sorry to hear this, passports really arent worth the paper they are on (imo) they are forged or given at sales before they enter the ring.

personally im fortunate as mine are breed passports, so they have full breeding, date of birth etc. I am happy that I can celebrate their birthdays with carrot cake! (me and them!)

im afraid the onlt thing i would suggest is try to contact the breeder - may help?
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Well as the silhouette in his passport isn't even his, this casts a huge shadow over whether the person listed in his passport (a well-known Polish breeder of sport horses) will even remember/have a record of him. How do I refer to him? His name obviously isn't Kali . . . all I have is a microchip number that may have been issued AFTER his passport was issued (to the wrong horse).

I know it's a small thing . . . and I love him for what he is . . . but it does bug me that his name might not even be Kali. I would like to know the truth about my boy.

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I wonder if anyone on here can suggest a way of dna testing to get some idea of a horse's breeding then? I too have a mystery horse, a German one, which is obviously very well bred and a bit of a star, but no breeding in his very basic German passport. (at least it describes the right horse though). I'd love to find out more about him!
 
i understand how you feel - as with my rescue dog - what is her real name - what happened to her etc.

It maybe worth sending hima picture asking if he remembers hima nd can he tell you anymore about his history - without giving too much away. long shot but it may come up with something.
 
A friend of mine has the same issue with a Hanovarian. She bought him just before passports were compulsory, and when she tried to get him microchipped and passported, the vet found he was bearing a chip already.

The chip is a German one and she was able to find out when he was imported and by whom, and what his original name was. But couldn't get anything official sent from anyone, or contact the person he was imported by and ended up getting a new basic passport made up just so she's legal.
 
The_snoopster said:
Is the microchop english or from another country there are ways of telling, not sure how but I am sure someone on here would know how.
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Honestly, I don't know - I wasn't there when the vet scanned him. But the accompanying paperwork is all in English - which leads me to believe he was chipped AFTER his passport was issued.

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I have this problem. My mare was imported from Holland around 4 years ago with a passport for a 'Bailey'. We've had the vet look at it many a time and its definately not the same mare - doesn't even have the same microchip number in it as is in
my mare!

I've just forgotten about it really as, she is still MY Bailey even tho she clearly isn't a Bailey!
 
PolarSkye said:
Honestly, I don't know - I wasn't there when the vet scanned him. But the accompanying paperwork is all in English - which leads me to believe he was chipped AFTER his passport was issued.

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I honestly doubt the chip is Polish, horses have only started being microchipped on any sort of significant scale since it became compulsory in 2009.
 
If he was chipped after the passport was issued I think the chip number should be on the passport.

I have a similar case - my mare who is 15 only had her passport issued three years ago. I have absolutely no idea as to her history before then and she is obviously well bred.
 
Tammytoo said:
If he was chipped after the passport was issued I think the chip number should be on the passport.

I have a similar case - my mare who is 15 only had her passport issued three years ago. I have absolutely no idea as to her history before then and she is obviously well bred.
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The new passport will have been issued to hide her history
Is your mare microchipped?
I understand a number of horses with continental microchips but fairly new UK passports go through York sales.
 
It's all so confusing, isn't it! My pony's passport was filled out by a dealer when he was supposedly 6, but probably a bit younger! No record of breeding, and the DOB is presumably completely made up. The height is wrong, as is the type---he's not all that cobby---we can't even figure out what breed he's meant to be. It would be so interesting to be able to trace his past, but I can't even see where to start!
 
your vet should be tracing that microchip for you! Especially as the passport does not match. Call the office and ask them to do so, they have more access to the companies than you will.
 
If you can put up the first three numbers of the passport, I can probably tell you where it was issued. :)

Unfortunately this is really common. The passport system unless your horse is a TB is a joke. (Assuming a TB hasn't been re-passported by a mickey mouse PIO who don't check for an original chip........)
 
I understand how you feel.
I thought my mare had the wrong (Westphalian's) passport because I couldn't find a brand. I also thought she had probably gone through York sales.
However as her coat has grown, she was clipped when I bought her, her brand has become apparent. She has a microchip which is noted on her passport, although she was bred in Germany and the pedigree is part of the passport. Her passport is Dutch, issued by KWPN society and even I know that she must have had at least 3 owners in GB, hasn't been updated. I was very pleased when I realised that she is actually who she is supposed to be.
I would ask your vet for help and also write to the microchip issuer and the'breeder to see if any-one can help to sort the mess out.
Good luck!
 
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I had this with my horse - he came from Holland, and had a Dutch Irish Cob society passport (for a fjord - go figure!). I ended up tracing who he was by contacting the Dutch Fjord studbook with his microchip number and a picture of his brand, and they identified him for me. I don't even know how he got through customs - the microchip number on the passport didn't match the one he had in him. Passports are a total waste of time IMO
 
Wow this really is quite common then!

My mare I picked up in a bit of a mess..... and when the vets came to check her over the found a chip, but the chip has never been registered and one place told me it had been registered as a "lost chip"

The passport she came with was an gypsy cob society passport.... for a TB?! again the ID sheet was wrong (it had her photo on the front?!)

All I know is she came over from Ireland.

Dont know her real name or history, age is questionable (the vet and dentist say it could be anywhere from 10-15)

Difficult to know where to start - and part of you thinks do I really want to know about the past?!
 
Even when they have UK issued passports things can go wrong!! I know of an experienced breeder (30 years) who bought a pedigree colt from another experienced breeder (30 yrs) in the same breed society.

It was only when the progeny were DNA tested that it was found to be the wrong horse and could have been a real problem for the breeder - as I understand it the colt to whom the passport belongs has not been found. How does one manage that?
 
Another reccomendation for europenet, if they do not have the number registered they will give you a country and sometimes an area where the batch of chips were used so you have a chance to dig further.
 
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