kauto star at olympia. Oh my

I saw kauto star at kempton on Boxing Day. This horse did not have stage fright ! He played to the crowd on Boxing Day and loved every minute of the atmosphere . At Olympia he was ridden badly and was just bloody miserable! Find something this amazing horse enjoys doing , dressage is not for him!
 
Joharr77 said:
I saw kauto star at kempton on Boxing Day. This horse did not have stage fright ! He played to the crowd on Boxing Day and loved every minute of the atmosphere . At Olympia he was ridden badly and was just bloody miserable! Find something this amazing horse enjoys doing , dressage is not for him!
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An open air racecourse, being lead is a completely different atmosphere to being alone, ridden, in an arena with 7000 people packed in all above and around you!
 
I totally agree a completely different atmosphere that the horse clearly enjoyed! Yes he may have been in hand rather than ridden in a way totally alien to him but the horse was relaxed happy and enjoying himself , surely this is better than being forced to be something he is clearly not?
 
SkewbyTwo said:
I take it as a firm indication that a) she has not bothered with the horse/is afraid of it/resents it/all of the above, as whatever happened, we saw a poorly muscled horse that she clearly completely misjudged, and therefore has evidently not got to know.

And b), that she must have no clue as to just who he is, no appreciation of what he has achieved, and absolutely no comprehension that he's the closest thing we've got to a modern day Arkle - because clearly when she "rode" as she did, she had absolutely no idea what kind of a world and inter-disciplinary stage she was riding on.

Unfortunately the upshot of the entire debacle is, Kauto sticks where he is, because at the end of the day money is power.
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I dont know the back story, to be honest I assumed CS and this girl had something going!
 
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Joharr77 said:
I saw kauto star at kempton on Boxing Day. This horse did not have stage fright ! He played to the crowd on Boxing Day and loved every minute of the atmosphere . At Olympia he was ridden badly and was just bloody miserable! Find something this amazing horse enjoys doing , dressage is not for him!
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Most good owners take the trainers advice when retirement looms .............. this one did not .......... I just hope Kauto Star sort of.... falls off the radar ................. no one is interested in following his "dressage career" !!!! eeks!!!!
 
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Kauto Star is one of my favourite racers of all time. And I admire Laura collet's bravery in continuing to event after losing sight in one eye.
The first part of the clip looks good. He's cantering around quite nicely. The second half is just weird. She's lost the plot, riding wise, yanking and digging away at him. Not pretty. And not her finest hour. Maybe they should stick to public events only at race courses and keep schooling to a low level at home.
 
madmav said:
Kauto Star is one of my favourite racers of all time............. Maybe they should stick to public events only at race courses and keep schooling to a low level at home.
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I don't see the point ............ he can only go to a few public NH related events. Why bother with dressage at home which is a hard thing to do sucessfully, .... he needs to have a chilled out life, no more hard work.
 
Horses need to have a job or they just fade away. Good luck to K S . You will always be better at dressage than my horse anyway.
 
SkewbyTwo said:
I take it as a firm indication that a) she has not bothered with the horse/is afraid of it/resents it/all of the above, as whatever happened, we saw a poorly muscled horse that she clearly completely misjudged, and therefore has evidently not got to know.

And b), that she must have no clue as to just who he is, no appreciation of what he has achieved, and absolutely no comprehension that he's the closest thing we've got to a modern day Arkle - because clearly when she "rode" as she did, she had absolutely no idea what kind of a world and inter-disciplinary stage she was riding on.

Unfortunately the upshot of the entire debacle is, Kauto sticks where he is, because at the end of the day money is power.
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Totally agree with this.
 
bonny said:
I can only imagine the owner's ego....
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Mike007 said:
Is that all you cn imagine about owners. How shallow!
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In this case Mike, the cap fits his owner; if it didn't, he wouldn't have sent him away from Ditchet but he thinks he knows better; he now knows he doesn't know as much as he thought and has ended up with egg on his face let alone the dislike of most of the horse's admirers; he certainly doesn't have the best interest of the horse in his heart; he just likes the limelight and is loathe to lose that status as the owner of the best NH horse for several decades.
 
The politics behind this farce will have any post explaining them removed. But as far as Breisner goes, mission accomplished for Laura - wealthy new owner too ignorant of eventing to know what's good or bad, nice and very expensive new horses. I could almost feel sorry for CS if it wasn't his self-importance that meant Kauto left Ditcheat in the first place.
 
I don't think anyone from the 'team' has denied that he was doped despite of the allegations have they? I think that in itself is pretty poor PR for ROR - we've retrained him but thought we better sedate him?!

It seems such a shame that they weren't able to select some other dressaging exracers to show what they can do instead.
 
Caledonia said:
The politics behind this farce will have any post explaining them removed. But as far as Breisner goes, mission accomplished for Laura - wealthy new owner too ignorant of eventing to know what's good or bad, nice and very expensive new horses. I could almost feel sorry for CS if it wasn't his self-importance that meant Kauto left Ditcheat in the first place.
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Summed up really well! Pretty well spot on IMO !!!
Its a real shame the same effort is not expended helping other up and coming team riders to get on!!!"
 
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Goodness me, so much vitriol in this thread and so many assumptions! Laura's a good rider with a lot of natural talent, I've seen her develop over a number of years from when she was a pony rider but she is still quite young. She's shown amazing courage to come back from her dreadful fall. Yogi is an excellent trainer with years and years of experience at the top level and he's known Laura since pony trials days and possibly before that, why wouldn't he recommend her. There's absolutely no evidence that KS was doped but Laura said in the video that she thought he'd be bright in the arena, over worked him in the warm up and he clearly "shut down" completely part way through the test. She doesn't wear spurs when she rides him and frankly pony club kicks won't have done him much harm, as to the "jabbing"it's probable that he's locked his neck to block his forwardness, I doubt she did any damage there either It just looked ugly and amateurish and unfortunately didn't achieve much. These are professions and I doubt they would have agreed to take KS to Olympia if he wasn't going nicely but he's a horse not a motorbike and it seemed he got complete stage fright. anyone who's regularly watched big competitions will have seen it with other horses. Laura's big mistake was to try to continue and it was the wrong call on this occasion. What a shame but hardly a hanging offence!
 
I'm not sure anyone has been hanging or thought that the way he was ridden was likely to do much actual damage.

But it was ugly and amateurish in front of a knowledgeable audience and the wrong judgement call as you say - and when you do that as a professional in such a public arena it would be madness if it wasn't commented on surely!?

As I said there is no evidence he was doped apart from the excessive sweating/way of going and I don't understand if he wasn't why they haven't quite strongly argued against people saying that. I would want to if someone was saying my horse was medicated when it wasn't!
 
oldie48 said:
Goodness me, so much vitriol in this thread and so many assumptions! Laura's a good rider with a lot of natural talent, I've seen her develop over a number of years from when she was a pony rider but she is still quite young. She's shown amazing courage to come back from her dreadful fall. Yogi is an excellent trainer with years and years of experience at the top level and he's known Laura since pony trials days and possibly before that, why wouldn't he recommend her. There's absolutely no evidence that KS was doped but Laura said in the video that she thought he'd be bright in the arena, over worked him in the warm up and he clearly "shut down" completely part way through the test. She doesn't wear spurs when she rides him and frankly pony club kicks won't have done him much harm, as to the "jabbing"it's probable that he's locked his neck to block his forwardness, I doubt she did any damage there either It just looked ugly and amateurish and unfortunately didn't achieve much. These are professions and I doubt they would have agreed to take KS to Olympia if he wasn't going nicely but he's a horse not a motorbike and it seemed he got complete stage fright. anyone who's regularly watched big competitions will have seen it with other horses. Laura's big mistake was to try to continue and it was the wrong call on this occasion. What a shame but hardly a hanging offence!
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Well said
 
Whatever the rights or wrongs of this, I was delighted to see kauto star full of beans at kempton on Boxing Day looking like he was enjoying what he was being asked to do. As I said before he looked like a different horse. Some just find dressage dull. My old horse was the same. In a dressage test you would think he was on his last legs get to the cross country / showjumping and he would be a different horse. I owned him for over 25 years , i have countless rosettes and trophies from him but I can say I only ever rode a handful of tests as he hated it. He went just like kauto star and he certainly was not doped just bored senseless!
 
oldie48 said:
Goodness me, so much vitriol in this thread and so many assumptions! Laura's a good rider with a lot of natural talent, I've seen her develop over a number of years from when she was a pony rider but she is still quite young. She's shown amazing courage to come back from her dreadful fall. Yogi is an excellent trainer with years and years of experience at the top level and he's known Laura since pony trials days and possibly before that, why wouldn't he recommend her. There's absolutely no evidence that KS was doped but Laura said in the video that she thought he'd be bright in the arena, over worked him in the warm up and he clearly "shut down" completely part way through the test. She doesn't wear spurs when she rides him and frankly pony club kicks won't have done him much harm, as to the "jabbing"it's probable that he's locked his neck to block his forwardness, I doubt she did any damage there either It just looked ugly and amateurish and unfortunately didn't achieve much. These are professions and I doubt they would have agreed to take KS to Olympia if he wasn't going nicely but he's a horse not a motorbike and it seemed he got complete stage fright. anyone who's regularly watched big competitions will have seen it with other horses. Laura's big mistake was to try to continue and it was the wrong call on this occasion. What a shame but hardly a hanging offence!
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Agree with this 100%!
 
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