Kerry breeder's dead pony turns up alive 3000 kilometres away
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windand rain
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Sad for his breeder but don't see how he can claim to be out of pocket by more than the sale price. What it is worth now is not what it was worth at the time
AmyMay
Situation normal
What an odd story. He thought the story the ‘trainer’ was telling him was odd, but never offered to take the horse home - but decided to look out for the pony in case it turned up at a sale?? ??
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snowangel5
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That story sounds very fishy to me but devastating end for the owner ?
laura_nash
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What an odd story. He thought the story the ‘trainer’ was telling him was odd, but never offered to take the horse home - but decided to look out for the pony in case it turned up at a sale?? ??
I guess he didn't want to directly accuse the trainer of lying to him at the time.
I don't find anything odd about the story really, but I'm surrounded by Irish farmers who breed a few Connemara's and send them off for prep and then on to the Clifden sales. I could easily picture this happening, especially the owner putting in some effort (eg driving down to the trainers) and then weeks of being too busy with the farm to worry about it in between so nothing really gets done (the Dept of Agri investigation wouldn't have faded away when the guy retired if he'd been chasing it).
If the Garda won't do anything I'm not sure why he hasn't taken the trainer to small claims for the value of the pony (value at the time, not now).
ycbm
Einstein would be proud of my Insanity...
I do believe the story as far as it goes, but the owner seems a bit of a twit. The current value is completely irrelevant, I don't know why he even mentions it. And in 2018 when that pony was sold illegally after supposedly being taken to an abattoir, we already had camera phones and he could have asked for video or photo of it dead. I can't help wondering if there wasn't some kind of dispute over livery fees and the pony was "disappeared" to settle a debt. It seems very strange that the dealer isn't being named, and equally strange that the pony wasn't renamed if it was stolen. I'm suspicious there will be more to this than meets the eye.
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Fred66
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Irish law may well be different to uk law, but I believe under uk law the owner would still be the breeder and the current “owners” would have to return him as the trainer cannot sell what is not his to sell. It would be then up to his current “owners” to recover the loss from the trainer.
They could negotiate with the breeder to retain him for payment of a fee and then attempt to recover this from the trainer or they could return him and attempt to recover the original price plus any costs relating to his keep from the trainer.
It very much is buyer beware.
They could negotiate with the breeder to retain him for payment of a fee and then attempt to recover this from the trainer or they could return him and attempt to recover the original price plus any costs relating to his keep from the trainer.
It very much is buyer beware.
windand rain
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Thing is its 10 years since the so called theft occured meaning the horse is now old and the owners probably are very fond of him no way will it be worth another 7,500 fo him
PurBee
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paperwork on irish horses has tightened up in recent years, whereas not too long ago, buying a horse without reg. Papers etc was fairly common.
Outside of the ‘elite’ horse circles, many horses/ponies sold on without papers. I almost had my loan horses stolen 8yrs ago as the loaner assumed i was ‘paperless’….if they had sold them on internationally, and im paperless, i cant prove ownership.
Discovering they were papered, caused a swift return of the horses.
Young horses should be registered within year of birth. often thats delayed until theyve gone off for training and ready for the sales market. So easy for unscrupulous trainers to register the horse themselves, get passport, sell horse to foreign owner, make profit, and the owner knows nothing….to be sold a c*ck n bull story that the horse died/had an accident pts etc.
Owners need to get paperwork before sending off for training. Even then there’s risk the horse would be double registered and double chipped, and scammed again. But more vets now know to check for chips before chipping a horse.
It all goes on…..gotta be super vigilent!
Mrs. Jingle
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Didn,t it say stolen in 2018? If it was a 3/4 year old being broken then would not be at all old now. I would say if it is doing well it could be worth considerably more by now. Who knows if the owner had kept him he could be worth easily 7 or 8 thousand now?
windand rain
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So it did the other headline I saw was it had turned up alive 10 years after he thought it was dead