Kineton noseband? Is it likely to help my muppet? *video*

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I've been doing a bit of research and have been looking at a kineton noseband. Red gets really wired when jumping- his head comes up and he tanks off without his market harborough. He doesn't like a lot in his mouth or much poll pressure so I think he may respond to the pressure on his nose instead? I don't know, any advice on fitting it- I know how to put it on the bridle just not how high/tight it should be :)
Thought I'd post a video so you can see what he usually jumps like- trust me, there is no stopping him! Jumping bits are at 50s, 1min25 and 2mins
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Thanks guys :)
 
I really don't mean this to sound nasty, it isn't meant that way at all... but is your horse fully sound???? The camera isn't particularly steady but especially in walk and also on coming back to trot after a fence it looks to be head nodding????? Just an observation, I would ensure first all is well and horse is sound!! then ensure you've had back etc checked as he/she jumps very hollow and rushes, rule out pain as the reason first, then look at training. I don't think personally you want to be looking at kinetons, first I'd be looking at lots and lots of grid work, slow the approach and give the horse time to engage at the fence without rushing. Just my opinion. x
 
Think there has been a similar opinion re his soundness on his other thread? Cant remember the reason for it.

Agree with all mentioned above, do all the generic checks and then grid work. Have you tried ground poles etc all before? Is he the same over smaller heights?
 
Sorry to say this but are you 100% sure your horse is sound?

Agree with the others - assuming he is sound then he looks to me like he needs to do lots of grid work and loads of work on his flatwork. Canter looks very flat and like he's throwing himself at the fence.
 
Your horse isnt sound my darling and when he lands he looks to his right. Is there something up with his near fore?

It might not be physical.... He is so lovely and tries hard for you so if not a lameness issue is he ok through his back? He is so responsive in flatwork which highlights the issue in jumping?
 
I do agree a bit with the others regards soundness definately worth having a thorough check, though could it be you trying to hold his head /shape him too much and him blocking you hence head nodding? Jumping wise I don't think he's that bad with regards putting his head up, my horse likes to put his head pretty high when jumping, it is just the way he is, i think he feels he can see better this way, I find it best to let him have his head. I make sure he is on a good line into the fence with enough impulsion, power etc and let him have his head high as I can still control him with it in this position (he still listens to rein aids etc) but mainly I try not to interfere too much, maybe try this with your boy. Also over some of the jumps shown here you catch Red in the mouth as he is going over them which could be triggering his head raising/awkward positions so I would really work on giving your hands more, really exagerrate itfor a while until it becomes second nature. I know you are probably reluctant to give as you think he will rush off afterwards but you may well find he listens to you alot more if you give the reins then take them back a few strides after landing to ask him to slow down, rather than holding them constantly tightly. Hope I don't sound too critical! I worry that if you put a kineton on him now you might create more problems by accidently catching him on it over the fences, they are strong nosebands so need to be used carefully. Some horses really dislike nose pressure when ridden so you would need to practise in a safe area and calm environment first.
 
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I do agree a bit with the others regards soundness definately worth having a thorough check, though could it be you trying to hold his head /shape him too much and him blocking you hence head nodding? Jumping wise I don't think he's that bad with regards putting his head up, my horse likes to put his head pretty high when jumping, it is just the way he is, i think he feels he can see better this way, I find it best to let him have his head. I make sure he is on a good line into the fence with enough impulsion, power etc and let him have his head high as I can still control him with it in this position (he still listens to rein aids etc) but mainly I try not to interfere too much, maybe try this with your boy. Also over some of the jumps shown here you catch Red in the mouth as he is going over them which could be triggering his head raising/awkward positions so I would really work on giving your hands more, really exagerrate itfor a while until it becomes second nature. I know you are probably reluctant to give as you think he will rush off afterwards but you may well find he listens to you alot more if you give the reins then take them back a few strides after landing to ask him to slow down, rather than holding them constantly tightly. Hope I don't sound too critical! I worry that if you put a kineton on him now you might create more problems by accidently catching him on it over the fences, they are strong nosebands so need to be used carefully. Some horses really dislike nose pressure when ridden so you would need to practise in a safe area and calm environment first.
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Agree with this. Perhaps work with canter poles on their own and then lined up to a small jump to help get a rhythm and steady him.
 
Agree with PIL and wanted to add, try a neckstrap. See, I had a hunter which I started SJing and boy was he like a train to stop. My dad told me try a neckstrap on him because it acts like a natural stop reflex. He's a jockey so used this lots when training youngsters. Anyway, it helped massively and even now I still buckle an old stirrup leather to youngsters if I know they might bugger off with me.

Stronger bits aren't always your answer...
 
I don't like them, they are severe and old school. My first horse was jumped in a kineton before I got him. He didn't need a noseband that severe at all, and even though I chucked it when I got him and jumped him in a snaffle, it affected his jumping as he had developed a habit of chucking his head in the air on landing to try and evade the pressure on his nose.
Just re-read your post and you also mention that you ride him in a market harborough as well, why all the gadgets? agree with the others, he does not look entirely sound, or comfortable? Rule out any problems then try and get back to basics with him. Best of luck, he is a good looking boy.
 
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To me you both start lovely and collected and then his back end seems to go after first jump and then his head comes up, so no you don't need a kineton as the are for horses that don't stop or will bolt. Something not quiet right with him and he looks as honest as they come.
 
I agree this horse doesn't look right. Would be interesting to see him jumping on other rein for comparison.

He appears a little stodgy on the flat and not really going forward.
Would like to see him doing a grid to see if he gets better or worse as he goes through it - worse would really make me think something is not right.
 
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