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Seen a couple of Kinsky youngsters today, I always believed that their colours were the same as "normal" in that they had the dilute gene, but with the added metallic in their coat that gave them their sheen.
The person I was talking to today was insistant that they had a "Gold" gene, which is why such a large percentage were their colour.
Is there a specific gene in the Kinsky, or am I right that it is the usual dilute gene?
 
Kinsky have the normal cream gene which in a single dose on a chestnut base produces palomino.
They don't have the satin effect that is sometimes seen in Akhal Tekes.
 
I had a look at their site. This is my favourite photo - every Stud needs ear chewer right? :p

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They do look like standard cream dilutes to me and I agree with S4S that they don't have the same metallic sheen that you see on A-Tekes.
 
The ones I have seen have had a lovely 'sheen' to them, though it depends how much Kinsky blood is there I guess. I believe the original Kinsky horse was almost wiped out during the war and I think an Akhal teke stallion was used as part of the breeding programme to re-establish the breed/dilute colours in the 1940's. I may be wrong though! My horse is part bred Kinsky and his sire has breeding going back a long way. There are some old photos of his ancestors that have a definite shine to them and this would have been before the possible introduction of the Akhal Teke genes? They are beautiful horses!
 
The metallic sheen of the Akhal Teke is caused by the structure of the hair in which the opaque core is very small in size and may in some areas be totally absent. The transparent part of the hair, called the medulla, takes up this space and acts like a fiber-optic tube with bending light through one side of the hair and refracting it out the other side, often with a golden glow.

I also believe that the Equus Kinsky horses have a metallic sheen in their breeding, some of the older photos show truly 'golden' horses, but we must remember that almost all stallions will shine unlike geldings or mares due to the amount of testosterone they produce. I am not sure if the structure of their hair is similar to that of the Akhal Teke (would be interesting to find out), but the sheen on the Equus Kinsky's coat is definitely more than just a coat that is blooming. In the description of the breed, it states that they are known for their extremely glossy, almost metallic coats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsky_horse

My stallion Legrande is 1/4 Kinsky and his summer coat is unlike any other of ours, he literally looks like he has been glitter sprayed from head to foot.
 
Finding this very interesting- my youngster has Equus Kinsky in her lines and she has a metallic sheen to her bright bay coat. Even in winter, it has a different sheen to other horses' coats. Would/could the shiny Equus Kinsky gene/factor be prominent in her, even though it is a Kinsky grandparent? Or is she just extra shiny??
 
I am not sure if it is a gene that is being passed on through the Equus Kinsky lines, or if it is the structure of the hair itself. It would be really interesting to find out, I wonder if it is possible!!!
 
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My Kinsky mare did have a beautiful metallic sheen, I hope you can see it on the pic and that was her living out no grooming/bathing etc

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Hi A.

I saw on your website that Arleta passed away. :-( I think I still have some pics of her in 2001 when she was even more shiny..

Im still after another Kinsky but i believe the stud in Kent has now closed.
 
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I am not sure if it is a gene that is being passed on through the Equus Kinsky lines, or if it is the structure of the hair itself. It would be really interesting to find out, I wonder if it is possible!!!
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I would be fascinated to know! I had a really good look last night- compared her to all the horses in the stable block!! There is a definite difference. Even as she is at the moment- quite fluffy- it is like each hair has a golden shimmer and as the light catches her she almost looks palomino. Very interesting!
 
Phoenix, the lady is still selling stock off. All very cheap. Think there are only foals and broodies left. Not purebred but have Kinsky lines.
 
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Zeus is a bog standard palomino with that shine, he certainly has absolutely NO Kinsky in him whatsoever. His coat is incredibly silky, he is, literally, self cleaning, he can be covered in mud and an hour later it has slid off. He shines summer and winter, is rarely groomed and has a bath, oh, maybe once a year.

I have been doing some asking around and have found that with the exception of two bays (fillies) every other horse he has sired (all colts, either palomino or chestnut) have the same silky, irridescent coat - the dams did not.
 
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The Akhal Teke was used within the Kinsky Breed hence the transmission of the satin gene.

http://www.schkk.cz/en/articles/equus-kinsky/

Enfys would be fascinating to find out at what point the satin gene entered your lovely boys gene pool. I don't know a lot about tyour boys breed, are they primarily TB and is there any Spanish origins?
 
Opie said:
The Akhal Teke was used within the Kinsky Breed hence the transmission of the satin gene.

http://www.schkk.cz/en/articles/equus-kinsky/

Enfys would be fascinating to find out at what point the satin gene entered your lovely boys gene pool. I don't know a lot about tyour boys breed, are they primarily TB and is there any Spanish origins?
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Breeding here:

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/dashbardee+jet

He does, like many, many Quarter and Paint horses have tb on his pages. The 'satin' is not uncommon in QH, especially dilutes.

I have no idea if there is any Spanish influence, the mustangs of course had Spanish blood so maybe that is a connection.
 
I have a registered kinsky colt for sale if you are interested. He is buckskin and also has the sheen to his coat (although in winter it is less visible). I also have his half sister, chestnut filly (still with her mum palomino kinsky mare imported from CZ who is in the original family M studbook).
I wouldn't buy anything from the 'Kinsky' stud in Kent as they have had an eviction judgment against them and owe a lot of money, so I doubt they have any legal right to sell the horses.
 
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