Tia
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Can someone tell me how long before they need to inject this into horse they take it out of the refrigerator please? The syringe has been out for an hour - do you think it will be okay by now?
LA Penicillin - refrigerator
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VictoriaEDT
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I have no idea Tia sorry! We arent allowed to do that ourselves in the UK!
Perhaps ring and ask the vet?
Perhaps ring and ask the vet?
Tia
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Can't. Vet only has an answering machine and won't be there.
Where is that Patches when you need her eh??
Where is that Patches when you need her eh??
VictoriaEDT
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To be honest im sure it will be ok. When vets come out to the yard and need to inject IM penicillin on first call im sure the drug has been out of the fridge for less than an hour.
Sorry im probably being useless!!!
Sorry im probably being useless!!!
Tia
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LOL!! Well you're better than anyone else at this moment in time
. I've just shaken it and it seems to be moving freely so I am going to presume it is ready to go.
Thank you for trying though.
Thank you for trying though.
Patches
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Well....I used Pen and Strep on Patches and I will admit I never kept that in the fridge, but it was within the temperature range in the stables that's listed on the bottle as safe storage.
Just asked Duncan what he does with the fridge based injections with cows (as of course I'd have used the Pen and Strep from the fridge had it been summer when Patches needed treatment). Anyway, he said he just draws it up and uses it straight away. Never waited for it to "warm up" ever.
Edited to add....he just added, having woken him up to ask him (asleep on sofa with PS3 controller clutched in fingers and game on pause) that all he does is rub the bottle in his hands a bit, before shaking it. Just 20 seconds or so. No matter how cold, it mixes freely if any particles have separated during standing.
Just asked Duncan what he does with the fridge based injections with cows (as of course I'd have used the Pen and Strep from the fridge had it been summer when Patches needed treatment). Anyway, he said he just draws it up and uses it straight away. Never waited for it to "warm up" ever.
Edited to add....he just added, having woken him up to ask him (asleep on sofa with PS3 controller clutched in fingers and game on pause) that all he does is rub the bottle in his hands a bit, before shaking it. Just 20 seconds or so. No matter how cold, it mixes freely if any particles have separated during standing.
Tia
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Oh. Brilliant! Thank you.
I had to refrigerate it because I have it in the house rather than the barns and it is too hot in the house to hold it stable. I normally store it in the barns you see but the barn is in the opposite direction to Ezzy's field and you know just how lazy I am
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I had to refrigerate it because I have it in the house rather than the barns and it is too hot in the house to hold it stable. I normally store it in the barns you see but the barn is in the opposite direction to Ezzy's field and you know just how lazy I am
Patches
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Can't. Vet only has an answering machine and won't be there.
Where is that Patches when you need her eh??
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Sorry. Was outside haying the horses on account of sleepy Duncan. He's failed in his matrimonial duties...haying horses late on is his "job".
Can't. Vet only has an answering machine and won't be there.
Where is that Patches when you need her eh??
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Sorry. Was outside haying the horses on account of sleepy Duncan. He's failed in his matrimonial duties...haying horses late on is his "job".
Patches
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I'd have done the same. We do have a fridge for medicine in the dairy but it's only switched on in very hot weather. Most of the time it stores at acceptable ranges. Usually only keep vaccines in the house as the temperature requirements are much more stringent.
I rarely inject anything here. Duncan laughs at me, but I can't be swift enough with it. I'm so scared of hurting them, I go about it tentatively and consequently, my injections DO hurt! Whoops!
I rarely inject anything here. Duncan laughs at me, but I can't be swift enough with it. I'm so scared of hurting them, I go about it tentatively and consequently, my injections DO hurt! Whoops!
Patches
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We arent allowed to do that ourselves in the UK!
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What makes you think we're not allowed to inject our own horses in the UK? My vet leaves me with injectable medication as a preference to powders in feed etc.
The only difference with our cows and horses are that the horses require scrupulously clean needles. A new, sterile one at each injection. They also can't cope with as much fluid in the same place as the cows can, sometimes requiring two injections per dose. Helps prevent the risk of abscesses forming at the injection site.
Cows, on the other hand, have a tougher consitution. You can jab a whole herd with the same needle. Well, until one of them reacts, throws themselves about and pins your arm and the needle into the cattle crush...new needle please and Duncan vaccinated against BVD!
We arent allowed to do that ourselves in the UK!
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What makes you think we're not allowed to inject our own horses in the UK? My vet leaves me with injectable medication as a preference to powders in feed etc.
The only difference with our cows and horses are that the horses require scrupulously clean needles. A new, sterile one at each injection. They also can't cope with as much fluid in the same place as the cows can, sometimes requiring two injections per dose. Helps prevent the risk of abscesses forming at the injection site.
Cows, on the other hand, have a tougher consitution. You can jab a whole herd with the same needle. Well, until one of them reacts, throws themselves about and pins your arm and the needle into the cattle crush...new needle please and Duncan vaccinated against BVD!
Tia
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I never particularly enjoy injecting I have to say. I don't have any problems whatsoever with injecting someone else's horse....I'm just a bit more molly-coddly with doing it to my own, LOL!!
Anyway, it's all done and dusted....well at least for another couple of days. Thanks for asking Duncan for me - I appreciate it.
Anyway, it's all done and dusted....well at least for another couple of days. Thanks for asking Duncan for me - I appreciate it.
Patches
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You're welcome.
I thought I'd better check with him, given that he injects daily and I've only had dealings with Pen and Strep (streptopen under a new name) and Neopen for horses.
Only thing I have had drummed into me is that the Tylan 200 we have for the cows is fatal if adminstered to horses!
(Oh how spooky...the lights have just tripped out! Do you think someone's trying to tell me it's bedtime. Sockets are working. Not like I've just switched anything on either. Duncan's outside too as a cow's calving!)
I thought I'd better check with him, given that he injects daily and I've only had dealings with Pen and Strep (streptopen under a new name) and Neopen for horses.
Only thing I have had drummed into me is that the Tylan 200 we have for the cows is fatal if adminstered to horses!
(Oh how spooky...the lights have just tripped out! Do you think someone's trying to tell me it's bedtime. Sockets are working. Not like I've just switched anything on either. Duncan's outside too as a cow's calving!)
Tia
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Ahhh don't you just love calving time
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Ezzy is such a lovely guy and he never bothers - he is so used to having injections as he had them every day for months when he broke his neck. However this evening he decided to go for a little wander whilst I still had the syringe in his neck. Husband just let him! Naughty husband!! So I had to walk around with him whilst continuing to slowly push the plunger. That's the only problem with Penicillin; it's so thick and you can't do it too quickly; that combined with the fact that it is 20cc's it seemed to take ages tonight.
I think I might need a new helper on Wednesday night
. Meg is so much more useful than him.
Ezzy is such a lovely guy and he never bothers - he is so used to having injections as he had them every day for months when he broke his neck. However this evening he decided to go for a little wander whilst I still had the syringe in his neck. Husband just let him! Naughty husband!! So I had to walk around with him whilst continuing to slowly push the plunger. That's the only problem with Penicillin; it's so thick and you can't do it too quickly; that combined with the fact that it is 20cc's it seemed to take ages tonight.
I think I might need a new helper on Wednesday night
Patches
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Men!
Do you put it all in a single injection site IM? Sometimes we find it easier to inject in two sites of 10cc with horses.
Do you put it all in a single injection site IM? Sometimes we find it easier to inject in two sites of 10cc with horses.
Tia
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I would have normally done it in two sites if he had been up by the barn....but he is away down in the driveway field and I only had one needle with me
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He doesn't usually move a muscle but J was having so much fun with him playing with his glove so Ezzy was trying to nibble it and of course every time he moved to nibble the glove J moved forwards. So it really wasn't Ezzy's fault at all. He wasn't moving very fast....Ezzy NEVER moves fast LOL!! But I just wanted to get the job done and they were hindering me
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I'd have been better just doing him myself - I always did him myself last year every day....never had a moments hassle.
He doesn't usually move a muscle but J was having so much fun with him playing with his glove so Ezzy was trying to nibble it and of course every time he moved to nibble the glove J moved forwards. So it really wasn't Ezzy's fault at all. He wasn't moving very fast....Ezzy NEVER moves fast LOL!! But I just wanted to get the job done and they were hindering me
I'd have been better just doing him myself - I always did him myself last year every day....never had a moments hassle.
Patches
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Oh I know what you mean. I often used to tell Duncan is more of a hindrance than a help. Sadly he threw a very male strop and told me if I didn't need his help, he wasn't offering it! Whoops. I had to eat major humble pie the next time I really needed his assisance......coincidentally to inject Patches last year!
Wasn't criticising over the single site dosage. Lots of vets use a single site. We just found it quicker to use two sites as you meet less resistance. Some of the medicines specify no more than 6cc in a single site with horses!
Wasn't criticising over the single site dosage. Lots of vets use a single site. We just found it quicker to use two sites as you meet less resistance. Some of the medicines specify no more than 6cc in a single site with horses!
Tia
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The vet had pre-loaded the syringes so it was easy for me just to take them out and pop all of it in. All my needles are up in the barn and it didn't occur to me to go and get any. That combined with the rain and the "glove game" made for it seeming to take ages LOL!! Maybe it didn't actually take any longer than normal
Anyway he looks to be healing up beautifully and surprisingly he isn't that swollen. Bless his little heart - he is such a good boy.
Anyway he looks to be healing up beautifully and surprisingly he isn't that swollen. Bless his little heart - he is such a good boy.
Patches
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Oh I like your vet! Mine never does that for me! Mind you, I'm too busy swooning at mine to care what he does with the bottle of medicine!
Tia
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Yes but you probably use more medication than me. I hardly ever need it so no point in having my own bottle in the refrigerator. Although it would be much cheaper to just go down and buy a bottle of Pen at the feed store; but I am a British girl through and through and still find that unusual. I can't bring myself to buy it there so I always get mine from the vet.
Night night Patches.
Night night Patches.
MillionDollar
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Its fine to use it straight from the fridge without letting it warm up.
VictoriaEDT
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unless your vet gives it to you I meant!
I know when I trained in the states (not sure about canada tho) you can buy all sorts of drugs off the shelf. Thats all. Didnt mean anything by it Patches
I know when I trained in the states (not sure about canada tho) you can buy all sorts of drugs off the shelf. Thats all. Didnt mean anything by it Patches
Dougie
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patches: pen and strep goes in fridge?!? whoops
only AB we refridgerate is excenel, also our vaccs etc.
only AB we refridgerate is excenel, also our vaccs etc.