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Hello don't post here often was just going to ask you a few questions!

I have 2 black labs and a terrier and one of my labs is due to pup! Un registered! I had a litter from her mum and kept one. Now I'm fine with birthing and looking after them but I'm so worried about selling them a. What price? B. how do I know right people ( mothers litter of 12 where all sold to friends and my brother had two etc!) she was put in pup when me and my partner where together we have now split. They live in a kennel as that's how it's always been with renting a house. They are gun dogs and pets and have heat matts and I hve stables for puppies with lights and matts for warmth so that's not a problem! But how do I find the right people? And do u have contracts they have to sign and agree to? If so where can I get one?

Thanks in advanced x
 
You could advertise at vets, through gun clubs, riding school, maybe your brother and friends who bought from last litter could help advise or be ready for a new addition or who might have friends who admired their dogs from your last litter. As they are unregistered and there is no way of knowing what dogs are behind the puppies in their pedigrees and if neither parent was hip or elbow scored (you don't mention if this is the case) they *might* be harder to sell to working/activity homes.
If they are unregistered and parents have no health tests I would not charge very much to be honest, sorry :o

If this is a 'ready for Christmas' litter, while I strongly disagree with this practise (imagine me shaking my fist, going grrrr! :p), I guess you don't need a lecture if your relationship has ended - just be very, very careful where they go and I would personally stay away from the free ad sites like Preloved, Gumtree, Facebook pages, in pet shops etc.
 
They are drakes head line and father full pedigree I hve grandparents pedigree but mother not registered. My brother has just had a litter himself who stole all my potential clients! They aren't ready until February and if they were ready at Christmas I wouldn't sell them! It was a stupid thought to put her in pup really! Not what is needed as soo many dogs in the world and I know lots of people but probably not the best time of year! I'm
Not worried about price but was thinking 3-4 hundred more about home and people who can afford than making money? Will put most of the money into a dog fund for vets bills etc and possibly get them spaid! Then give some to charity it's not a money earner she's just a lovely dog! X
 
Not ideal as you well know and indeed before a bitch is mated you should have most of them reserved (regardless of other litters ongoing)
I would obs steer clear of gum tree/pre loved and such hideous sites, are there no working sites to place them on? local vets? ( a better audience) or im sure someone on here can advise more sites?
I would not go to low in price to weed out people looking for a cheap puppy If there are no health tests hip scores/elbow scores etc (obs bad practice) to breed but still I would not go lower than £300 (maybe more if you chip and 1st vax them) but not any higher to be fair without those tests.
Stables are not ideal for pups going to pet homes as they need to get used to household noises, see a little more than the inside of a stable. Try and seek out good homes now and start drilling people (as thats alot of pups) and the older they get and longer they are stabled the worst it will for you to home them.
Also I would hope you will be offering back up to each and every puppy (ideally chipping them to you and adding the buyer on when the pup is purchased) so that they never end up in rescue should the purchaser decide to sell on or give up. A few responsible breeders here already have/do this so if you ask for advice they will give it.
 
Put out feelers through gun club- if yours are gun dogs then people will be able to see if yours is good likelihood is pups will have least some of there potential.
Or if any of your dogs siblings are used at shoots ask them to put out feelers.
I bought mine last December from family friend who bred for himself i got first pick for 300 pound. Mine is fully registered, and both parents health checks completed. They sold the rest for 375. All were sold with a no breeding clause unless breeder gives permission.
 
About 250 with the first vax thrown in plus vet check,hopefully the parents are eye/elbow/hip checked.If not even cheaper ,sorry to say.
 
Why should she hand the mum over to rescue!?

I was just going to echo what others have said - but particularly about keeping the pups in stable. Due to the fact that Im guessing they will prob end up in family homes you want them exposed to the family environment rather than outside.
Consider having your dog spayed after this litter?
 
Thank you for the helpful feed back! And the others... My last litter have ended up with perfect family's and none have been rehomed. I would never ever take a dog to the dogs home I would rather live on the streets with my dogs than get rid of them. Surely people who seem to think this is any option for any animal needs shooting. They will be spayed as soon as the litter is done. They will be born inside by the Aga but as soon as they can run around they will have to go out only because iv recently moved back in with my mother and she wouldn't be impressed! And in the stable they will be played with alot and be socialised as I have liveries and lots if friends will come each night no one can resist cuddling puppies! Again I'm not after financial gain from all this but the price will have to confirm a good home!
 
Skippyduke, there are vital times in a pup's life, if it is to be a house pet, when the pups need to get exposed to things like hoovers, pots and pans clanking, the television, raised voices, the doorbell etc, that's the kind of thing people are talking about as well as human interaction - it's much easier to transfer a pup born and raised in the house to a kennel, than a dog born and raised in a kennel into a house at eight weeks, if that makes any sense.
 
Unless your dog comes from 100 generations of pure bred, health tested dogs that you take to training classes every day, or a rescue, not from any rescue, only AAD approved rescue, someone's going to take exception... :rolleyes::D
 
Skippyduke, I get the impression you realise the situation is by no means ideal,but as the bitch is already in whelp there's not much point me telling you it would have been better not to have mated her.
If you have to keep the pups in a stable would it be possible to bring them in the house daily as they get older. My recent litter was the first I had wholly reared in the house, previous litters were outside in a heated kennel as they got older but came in everyday to get used to household noises such as tv , hoover etc.
I am happy to pm you a copy of the contract I use, if that is any help to you.
 
That would be lovely if you could! Yes they will be in the house anyway daily and on the lawn for 'dinner' and whilst cleaning out etc so they won't be abandoned!!! They will be socialised with people I'm going to try and persuade all my friends to have one too! As there all country folk my two girls are brilliant gun and horse dogs they come for rides with me I just hope I can sell them all
 
I would advertise in Shooting Times and other mags like that, there may well be people who want a good working type pup and won't worry about no papers. If parents are proven workers could you get photos and so on of them working?
Best of luck with them.
 
Heather Ann, if you're referring to my post, I was only trying to help the OP, it is recognised fact that there are vital socialisation periods in a pup's life and once those periods have passed, they're gone and you have to work a lot harder to desensitise them once they're older. I think the thread in general has been quite helpful.
 
CaveCanem said:
Heather Ann, if you're referring to my post, I was only trying to help the OP, it is recognised fact that there are vital socialisation periods in a pup's life and once those periods have passed, they're gone and you have to work a lot harder to desensitise them once they're older. I think the thread in general has been quite helpful.
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I think they were referring to mine & DG's posts and it is obvious they don't know what breed rescues do.
I would never consider a lab puppy from untested parents nor one raised outside for a family dog & would never advise anyone else to buy one.
Just why isn't the bitch registered if her parents were? & why is she having a second litter without being tested?
 
My uncle has bred gundogs for several years now. They have always been born inside and then moved outside once they are 2/3 weeks old. He has a heat lamp and good warmth retaining bedding for them and in 6 litters never had a problem!

And in regards to socialising, we have people coming and going all of the time and so they get a LOT of attention. They have free access to the garden most of the time, and the door is shut when they are sleeping/overnight. If somebody is able to watch them they also come in and out of the house (restricted to certain rooms using a 'door block') to see what's going on.

We've never had a problem keeping the puppies outside at all, so don't panic so long as you keep them in the right conditions.
 
CaveCanem said:
Heather Ann, if you're referring to my post, I was only trying to help the OP, it is recognised fact that there are vital socialisation periods in a pup's life and once those periods have passed, they're gone and you have to work a lot harder to desensitise them once they're older. I think the thread in general has been quite helpful.
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I wasn't referring to a specific post, just what seems to be the general consensus on here :p
 
s4sugar said:
Why not hand mum over to Lab rescue so at least she'll get spayed?
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Dobiegirl said:
With summer around the corner living in a stable will be ideal.:rolleyes:
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s4sugar said:
I think they were referring to mine & DG's posts and it is obvious they don't know what breed rescues do.
I would never consider a lab puppy from untested parents nor one raised outside for a family dog & would never advise anyone else to buy one.
Just why isn't the bitch registered if her parents were? & why is she having a second litter without being tested?
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Yes because the two posts from you and DG are really educating the poster in the ins and outs of a breed rescue aren't they?
I don't think some people are aware of the risks of breeding from untested animals. Not everyone gets an "education" from sites like this, so taking that attitude isn't going to educate anyone. It's just going to make them not want to come back to the site to ask for advice in fear of being called an awful owner.
I've taken a lot from this site and pass that info around as best I can. But the attitudes I see in your posts just makes me think that you're not using this site to educate, but rather insult people under the guise of seeing the effects of this kind of breeding and what it can do to breeds...
 
Heather Ann as i stated in my earlier post I havnt bred my bitch precisely because of people like the OP churning out dogs which are not registered or health tested. I am entitled to get frustrated when people on here who should know better just go ahead without a waiting list for the puppies and then having already bred a previous litter come on here asking for advice. This is Horse and Hound and the majority of people on here do know better, if this was a random fb site I could understand the ignorance but its not.
 
HeatherAnn said:
Yes because the two posts from you and DG are really educating the poster in the ins and outs of a breed rescue aren't they?
I don't think some people are aware of the risks of breeding from untested animals. Not everyone gets an "education" from sites like this, so taking that attitude isn't going to educate anyone. It's just going to make them not want to come back to the site to ask for advice in fear of being called an awful owner.
I've taken a lot from this site and pass that info around as best I can. But the attitudes I see in your posts just makes me think that you're not using this site to educate, but rather insult people under the guise of seeing the effects of this kind of breeding and what it can do to breeds...
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Of course we could be assuming that the OP has some intelligence and will try Google or other research to follow up.
Unfortunately in this case it is all about the money -see the OP's own first question & comments - and these pups should never have been bred.

Please see the threads about Lisa Walsh & John Vane which may explain why we steer people away from people using untested stock or buying their produce.

Many people are not aware of the risks but unless they see WHY they shouldn't support poor breeding practices and as in the threads referenced may realise how it may affect THEM the dodgy breeders will continue to make money.
 
Dobiegirl said:
Heather Ann as i stated in my earlier post I havnt bred my bitch precisely because of people like the OP churning out dogs which are not registered or health tested. I am entitled to get frustrated when people on here who should know better just go ahead without a waiting list for the puppies and then having already bred a previous litter come on here asking for advice. This is Horse and Hound and the majority of people on here do know better, if this was a random fb site I could understand the ignorance but its not.
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You're well within your right to get frustrated but I don't know why you'd prefer to be sarcastic than to attempt to educate the owner into reconsidering breeding again and get her bitch spayed.
 
I think if the op had come on here with a mare in foal and was looking for advice to sell it people would be up in arms so I think your argument is quite flawed, there are just too many dogs and horses looking for homes that dont exist.
 
s4sugar said:
Of course we could be assuming that the OP has some intelligence and will try Google or other research to follow up.
Unfortunately in this case it is all about the money -see the OP's own first question & comments - and these pups should never have been bred.

Please see the threads about Lisa Walsh & John Vane which may explain why we steer people away from people using untested stock or buying their produce.

Many people are not aware of the risks but unless they see WHY they shouldn't support poor breeding practices and as in the threads referenced may realise how it may affect THEM the dodgy breeders will continue to make money.
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I'm aware of the risks of untested breedings and understand why people will want to steer the OP from this kind of breeding, but what's done is done, the thing about your posts I disagree with is the way you approach the posters. Posters like Cayla and CC, IMO get there points across really well, they show that they are unhappy and give great advice. These pups can't just disappear, the best thing to do would be to educate the owner now so they don't breed again...
 
Im not alone in the sarcastic comments as you too are guilty of that, we are going into a winter which by all forecasts is going to be very severe, hardly the time of year to have pups outside. As I said earlier it just wasnt thought through.
 
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