Lack of Horse Sense - this is how horses get neglected. :(

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This is from the Society for the Welfare of Horses and Ponies newsletter... it's a great charity, and i'm sure Jenny won't mind me quoting it verbatim. This kind of sums up why we must all be alert and never assume that people will do the right thing, i guess:

"The Nutters.

Inevitably, many of the owners who have abused or neglected their horses are thoroughly unpleasant people. Others are just profoundly stupid when it comes to looking after animals. Sad to say, education doesn't seem to help much. Clever doesn't always mean sensible. We've had to take animals into care from lawyers and accountants who didn't realise that they were failing in their duty to their horse.

One owner told us that she couldn't feed hay because the wind blew it away. Another said that her horse would get cold standing still eating the hay. Fear of laminitis prevented one owner from feeding hay when there was no grass whatsoever, while a vet's advice to starve an excessively fat pony was so literally interpreted that the animal nearly died.

In a somewhat disreputable do-it-yourself yard we were told, solemnly, that you must not give horses too much water or they'll get diarrhoea. A thoroughbred in ramshackle shed, deep in muck, could not have straw bedding because she'd eat it.

A couple of Shires had never been handled but needed to have their feet trimmed. The owner received advice from an expert; run the horses up and down the road and the hooves would wear down. My favourite tale came from John Smales, who met a lady who had bought a pony for her daughter. I hope that you've got a good farrier, said John. Oh, we don't need a farrier, was the reply. "Luckily the pony had shoes on when we bought it.""

If you have ever heard anything as daft as those, please post them here...!

Btw, i'm not advocating busybodying, but just keeping a kindly eye out maybe... for the horses' sakes.
 
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Inevitably, many of the owners who have abused or neglected their horses are thoroughly unpleasant people. Others are just profoundly stupid when it comes to looking after animals.

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Met one person who matched that descripton and hope I never do again. Never had a riding lesson so bought a 16hh TB..heartbreaking consequences and mistreatment, don't even want to think about it to much. And two unhappy ponies. No amount of advice or help would have made a difference with this person.
 
Somebody once told me that their horse was only lame in every other stride in trot!
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Yes we got 2 kinds of neglect, ignorance and deliberate and they are equally bad,when it comes to ignorant neglect it could be prevented since normally someone will point out what they are doing wrong. Neglect in any way shape or form makes my blood boil....
 
one woman on a DIY yard with non horsey YO commented on how her horse was funny as it had three thin legs and one big fat one....Se wouldnt listen when told that the vet should be called
 
god the stupid woman that had pluto, was a well muscelled fit horse 10 weeks later there wasnt a bone you couldnt see, not to mention the rug rubs so bad they were burning..... ive been feeding him she said, CLEARLEY SODDING NOT!
 
there really ought to be some sort of exam which MUST be passed before someone can own a horse. As PW said, there is cruelty through ignorance and that through neglect, which can mostly be helped......I'm sure the horse doesn't make that differentiation though
 
classic today - pony with laminitus (?)

owner turned it out in a huge grassy field " because she looked unhappy"

er no s**t it looks grumpy - but it is getting her better you daft cow i said.

she then went to bring her in and wondered why she couldnt catch it for an hour tonight too ???
 
When I was on a livery yard, a new girl was employed. She saw me picking out my gees feet and asked ''Doesn't that hurt them?'' in a horrifed voice.......

And another livery took it upon herself to bathe somone else's horse's eye in neat dettol because it was weepy.......I nearly put her into next week when I saw what she was doing....
 
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And another livery took it upon herself to bathe somone else's horse's eye in neat dettol because it was weepy.......I nearly put her into next week when I saw what she was doing....

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How could someone be that stupid. Would she do it to her own eye? How was the eye after. I can almost feel the pain myself.
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We washed it out with slightly salty water and it was OK.

I can't even begin to tell you about the guy who asked me to come and ride his pointer, and when I got there, it took two hours to get the tendon boots off it 'cos he'd put them on so tight a day or so before that I couldn't get them off because of the extent the legs had swollen to.....I was only a teenager then, and didn't know he could be reported. The horse had also lost half it's tail from the bandage being put on too tight and left.....

When I think back, it makes me ill........
 
My farrier told me about a man who called him out to reshoe a pony. The feet were dreadfully overgrown with three of the shoes still on. The man said he was very disappointed as he thought the shoes should last a year! The pony hadn't been shod for over 6 months.

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I also know someone who bought a pony for the children. The pony was kept in a nice grassy paddock. Wasn't wormed or dental checked for 4 years. Only had hoof trims a few times as was footy when done (didn't think to put shoes on) so curled up toes. Never fed hay or hard feed in winter (had laminitis in the past). The pony was very thin, and really a rescue case, and yes still being ridden about once a fortnight. Given a polo once a day by gardener who's job it was to check her, with no knowledge of horses. When eventually treated by dentist a bottom tooth was digging into top gum every time she tried to chew so she ate very little. Needless to say her tack didn't fit either. Saddle down on her withers and the bit would have suited a 16hh hunter and clanged on her teeth.

Owner was intelligent person with pots of money. Ignorant not delibrately cruel. Sadly the result is the same - neglect and cruelty. In the whole 4 years she was kept on her own. When I introduced my boy to her she ran away and hid behind a tree.

She is now a happy girl with her health issues sorted and managed (she has cushings). Her weight is still not good, but she whizzes round the field and seem very happy and loves her comfy stable with rubber mats and lovely deep bed and has developed a lovely personality.

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Once overheard a lady talking to her lame pony... "I don't care how much you f****** hobble, you're going to the bloody field". And she's an experienced horse owner who offers advice to newer owners on the yard
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Scary stuff, and yes, I completely agree that some form of exam should be brought in before you can own a horse. I'd be happy to be tested (and re-tested a year later) if it meant less horses would suffer due to ignorance.

Sadly though, I think it would go the way of equine passports - no real way of enforcing it.
 
My friend once had a rescue pony on loan that had been kept in the back garden of a large house in Aberdeen city - it had been fed on kitchen scraps and left overs as the owners werent horsey. They just went ot he mart one day and bought this little Sec a as he was 'cute' and they wanted a pet! And this was in the Millionaire Row - so they werent poor or unintelligent!
 
I do know someone who bought a Grade B Showjumper, as she was absolutely loaded. She was lunging it (badly) in the outdoor arena and asked me if I would ride it as she had only ever had 3 lessons!.... I duly agreed and really enjoyed riding it, although I asked what bit she had it in as she seemed uncomfortable in the mouth.... she had been out and bought a bridle and just picked the 'nicest' looking bit!! And the horse clearly had been ridden in a martingale for jumping as it was enjoying the fact it could cart off with its head in the air after jumps. I know none of this is cruelty to a horse but this girl clearly did not have a clue what she was doing and it could have ended up being awful but..... the horse is now, after a year, happy as larry! She is on full livery, gets ridden a couple of times a week and although clearly she will never go back to being a showjumper she is well looked after and happy. This is after advice and help from the full liveries and staff at our yard, theyve done a brilliant job! It does worry me though, and so does people not getting horses vetted when they are so cheap 'i didnt think it was worth getting a vetting' - when this happened on our yard the horse turned out to have strangles and luckily none of ours caught it but we were quarantined for 8 weeks.
 
Someone was asked to check on some horses that had been left out for the winter wearing NZ rugs. The someone was never told/asked to take the rugs off the horses and "re-set" them every day ...

A girl went on holiday for a week and [allegedly] left her pony in the stable with seven buckets of feed, two bales of hay and seven buckets of water under the delusion the pony would eat it's daily rations each day...
 
we should follow Switzerlands example.anyone owning/wanting to own any animal MUST pass a course about suitable husbandry for that animal and prove they have suitable facilities in which to keep them.
Some people will moan about more regulation/lack of freedoms etc but it is one law I would love to see implemented.
no one should be able to keep an equid without at least being qualified to BHS stage 2 level.
 
some people near me bought ponies clearly knowing nothing at all, put headcollars on upside down, to make the ponies eyes look through the rings on the side, put a bridle on with the browband behind the ears everything twisted the headpiece in front or the ears nothing done up, a saddle that had fallen to bits, pulled a little ponies front legs up till it reared. hips and ribs sticking out, would say well their supposed to be lean.
 
All these stories are absolutely horrendous! It makes you wonder how many horses there are all over the country that are suffering at the hands of ignorant owners. Frightening.

I knew someone once whose horse came in from the field with blood spurting from a wound in its knee. She asked if she should get the vet!!! Then while we waited for the vet to come, her husband asked me if horses felt pain. And these were wealthy, educated people.
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There's none of us perfect, but really some people defy belief!
 
QR Those stories are horrendous and in the case of people simply not knowing how to look after an equine how the hell could people be so f****** thick and so devoid of common sense!
I would never knowingly hurt or cause any of my horses pain or suffering ( or anyone else's for that matter). Fact I have common sense but in the event I need to seek advice on a matter I am not experienced with or are questioning my own judgement then I WILL always ask for that help.
I cannot understand people who chose not to ask for advice or cannot see that what they are doing is so wrong.
Like the case with the eye and Dettol. What the hell! Nobody in their right mind would consider putting anything into an eye -be it animal or human- that is so astringent. It does certainly make you wonder just how many people are clueless in such instances.
I can remember seeing a case on one of the Animal Cops series in which a man decided to treat his horse ( can't remember if skin condition or cuts) with neat engine oil!
Even when people poorly feed their animals and the animals can clearly be seen to be affected by it at what point do these people realise it is starvation (if at all) ? I watch a lot of programmes about animal welfare and the amount of times that people try and use ignorance as an excuse just amazes me. Especially when you have owners stand up in court etc and say that the animal had been well fed and cared for and was not thin/sick.
There truly are some people in this world that do not have the mental capacity to fill that space in their head which is supposed to house a brain. I truly believe most if not all of these people should have been put down at birth themselves. They are just pathetic excuses for human beings. Sorry feel very strongly about this!
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Here's another one. A girl I knew years ago left her pony tacked up all night in it's stable as she forgot about it! Obviously didn't have any food or water either as it was living out at the time and she'd just put it in the stable for a few moments!
 
Some years ago a family in this village decided to 'breed' palominos. He was a Doctor of Science at Harwell Laboratory with loads of letters after his name and the mother, well-educated, intelligent (or so I thought) was at home looking after 5 children. I happened across a girl (not one of the family) leading a pony on a halter along the grass verge and it's condition was appalling. When I commented on this, she said you ought to see the others!!

The little Welsh cream mare was due to foal any time and was still running with her 2 year old colt. Her yearling filly was being covered by it's brother/father. They were all in horrendous condition, having a quarter of an acre of water-logged land and no other feed at all. The colt was so poor that you could stand behind it and see the whole of it's under-body between it's hind-legs. God how I wish I had taken photos.

I called the RSPCA who made them send the ponies elsewhere to graze - and I managed to buy a filly off them for next to nothing, which wasn't in such bad nick, as she wasn't either in foal or feeding a foal. They really believed that the colt wouldn't cover the mare/filly because it knew they were it's mother/sister!!! And this man worked with atoms!!!!

I wasn't afraid to give my name to the RSPCA so of course I had the Doctor banging on my door telling me to mind my own business. Isn't it a good job that quite a few of us don't mind our own business?

I did take these pics, a month after she arrived and three months later, of the filly which I rescued. The quality is really poor - the pics are VERY old!!!

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My horse once shared a field with another elderly one which my friend and I kept a close eye on as his owner only came up at the weekends as she worked during the week. To make up for this she would give the poor animal one weeks feed in a bucket to 'keep it going through the week'. When we relialised what was happening we started feeding her horse everyday. When she found out we were told to stop cos we'd make the horse fat.

Another person I knew had a pony with clear lami. When me and my mate who is the local farrier pointed out to her that the pony was lame/laminiatic we were told 'don't worry he's just sore for the first 5 mins when he warms up he gets better'. I won't tell you what my mate said in response....
 
My best mate bought a pony as a yearling, she had her main jumping pony but wanted something else as well any way we found out that the pony had been weaned too early and therefore was prone to colic so she was very careful in what she fed him. At the livery yard she kept him at, they had limited grazing and at one point she had to keep him in 24/7. Anyway she got a phone call sayin that he wa looking colicy one day and she ran straight up.... lucky she caught in tym and therefore didnt have to call the Vet. But she found out that everyone on the yard had been feeding him bits and pieces and ppl had accused her of not feeding her horses... this girl runs a riding school of upto nearly 20 horses. So like with the story with ponies eye, its not all ways the owner that cause neglet and pain but other ppl around them too!!
 
I noticed that a horse in a field near my house was without access to water showing difficulty with urinating. I promptly let the owner know and the YM.
The YM told me that the yard was completely DIY and she had no "Duty of care".
Then she sent her Hench-woman up to my house telling me not to speak to her liveries again and keep my nose out.
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The horse now has clean water, mission accomplished, and I will continue to stick my nose in when there is any welfare concerns over any animal.
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I once had a couple wanting to buy a lovely young 14:2 I had for sale. first they told me that the girl was an experianced rider, she wasn't. then they asked how much a wormer cost and said the pony would be living in the garage and would be fed on weetabix.I didn't sell them the horse.
A friend of mine owns a livery yard, a new client was bringing a mare they had owned for THREE MONTHS. When it arrived it turned out to be a gelding!!!!
The people I refer to weren't what you would usually asume to be idiotic, they were seemingly intelligent and educated.
 
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