Lady kills herself after rescue removes dog

We can only go with our own experiences with any charity really. There will always be good and bad and much of depends on the individuals concerned as well as the overall ethos of the whole organisation. For example I have had some great experiences with the RSPCA, working alongside individual officers in the field who were passionate and dedicated. Most would love to get away from RSPCA itself but they felt they made a difference. As a whole I don't like the RSPCA though. I have also had bad experiences with some RSPCA officers. As I said good and bad. I have only heard good things about the Cinnemon Trust personally and had my own good experiences. That is why I support them. If I do find an alternative for my pets with an friend who I know and trust then I will change my will. I am a lawyer so no problem there. My estate will always go with my pets to whoever takes them, whether it is an individual or charity, and I am sure that is the view of many people without close family. Even if I did have family, unless it was family that could take them and look after them properly, to be honest the money would still go with the cats.
 
Good post Hollycat, I absoloutely agree, I to have had som bad and somevery good dealing with he RSPCA, maybeit's theindividual, afterall not oneperson runs an organisation in general.
No doubt we will have some "not so happy people2 who have dealt with us.

Out of interest is you will made out to the CT for the care of your animals, obs not something you have to disclose just from what I read i assumed u may?
 
I actually spoke to a lady on the CT stand at Crufts about the case I mentioned, I don't remember the exact conversation but the gyst of it was that if Saffi's owner had been a member prior to becoming ill then they would have been more likely to able to help him even though he was not over 65. I got the impression (probably wrongly before you jump on me Fenris) that they offer more of an insurance, i.e. they like you to be a member before they will help you.
 
After talking to someone this morning MM, im also "lead to believe" but don't have evidence/DNA, finger prints :rolleyes::D that you pay so much a month for the "service" hen you pre join, so maybe the gentleman wit the GSD was refused on the terms he was not "paid up" or had paid any contributions, so on that note a "charity" must beable to charge for a service, unless it's a donate base, and not a (stipulated amount)
I know a charity can definately advertise for "inheritance" to be left like my goat herding example :D
Our experience was prob a good 3 years ago and the rest as (people telling us along the lines of what what MM describes) only not to do with the individuals age (again I not go into that) as im not one for spouting personal info in detail that I have been told from "another person" over a forum. (like I did not in the first place)
 
Fenris said:
No threats whatsoever. The RSPCA have plenty monitoring here and will know what is said almost as it appears. Remember their threats of legal action against German Shepherd rescue for the use of their acronym? If anyone said anything that wans't absolutely true about the RSPCA they would have a libel letter in the next post.
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Guess you must just be too insignificant for them to worry about then...:p
 
Lol:D sorry shouldn't laugh, and I very much doubt they send a letter to everyone who slates them on here, where would they get their addy for a start?:p:D and do they send a letter addressed to say "spudlet" or "Fenris" :D
And are there really that many trees;)

I have to say (random) of late the RSPCA "I have dealt with" have been outstandly on the ball, I as well impressed.
 
Fenris said:
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CAYLA said:
Funnily MM The Cinnomen trust do get in most cases the estate of the person who's dog is left behind as Im lead to believe, i/e owner signs house/money at the time of seeking their support/help over, we have had a few dealing with them, both animals and family of "the deceased", but the others where not good dealings (but im not going into that) they obs do some good work too.



Every time a rehoming organisation asks for a minimum donation they are charging a selling price or charging for a service. That is why there so many think they should be required to have a pet shop licence.
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Fenris, the amount of anti rspca statements I've read on here stated as fact, not hearsay as cayla pointed out, are ten to the dozen, only ever do you have supporters point out facts contadicting such statements, I've never seen any official rspca post on here, or have I been looking in the wrong places???!!!!

And with reference to your post about 'fees', the 'adoption fee' charged by rescues, can be proven to be less than the cost of neutering, microchipping, vaccinating, paying vets fees associated with that animal on acceptance into the rescue centre etc..... therefore no profit!!!
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I would say the blame lies with the people caring for the lady herself. And this is a statement fenris, just in case you want to 'legal' me too...

My granddads home has a lady that had her dog taken from her, and was bought a big cuddly toy dog which her relatives have requested sit next to her at all times, without it she refuses to eat/drink/speak/cooperate/take medicine. On several occasions i have witnessed certain members of staff purposely taking the dog and moving it away from her-she cant walk and cannot get it back. They do it and then say she is being purposely belligerent and i have seen them shout and push her about.

The care of the elderly is definitely put on the backburner in a lot of establishments. unfortunately care is an incredibly easy career path to get into and is fairly well paid, and not as well monitored as it should be, the same as with childcare.

I do belive that this poor woman was failed, but not by the rescue.
 
Also, with respect to the RSPCA, all the experiences ive had with them have been unpleasant and unhelpful.

Even down to the staff collecting contributions, who were rude, ignorant and desperately needed some kind of attitude management.
 
Hollycat said:
This is one of my worst nightmares. If the lady was returned home then I would hope her dementia etc could not have been that bad (though with the state of the NHS these days who knows). Its easy to be critical but it must have been a very hard decision for the charity not to return the dog, and I am sure the poor women will be haunted by what happened.
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It says she was sent to a care home from the hospital. The care home was quite likeley a private care home where the family would have had to have 'topped up' the payments as the social will only pay so much. You will be surprised how many families will take their parents out of care homes and send them home to save money. I was working in a care home and the family took their mum out and sent her home, she was returned home by the police twice wandering the streets confused and was mugged. Dont assume its as a result of bad care by the NHS as it really isnt always the way!
 
vieshot said:
It says she was sent to a care home from the hospital. The care home was quite likeley a private care home where the family would have had to have 'topped up' the payments as the social will only pay so much. You will be surprised how many families will take their parents out of care homes and send them home to save money. I was working in a care home and the family took their mum out and sent her home, she was returned home by the police twice wandering the streets confused and was mugged. Dont assume its as a result of bad care by the NHS as it really isnt always the way!
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My nan has £550 taken out of her bank every month to put my grandad where he is, she also has to pay for his new clothes/toiletries/underwear because the home constantly loses it. and the home he is at is meant to be a top spec care home!!!
 
PerdixPerdix said:
My nan has £550 taken out of her bank every month to put my grandad where he is, she also has to pay for his new clothes/toiletries/underwear because the home constantly loses it. and the home he is at is meant to be a top spec care home!!!
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Terrible. The home should be naming all his clothes AND toiletries. If they are doing their job correctly and only using his toiletries on him then there is absolutely no reason they should get 'lost' more likely that they dont name them and if the resident next door has ran out then they will nip in and use his and fail to return it. Seen it happen all too much.
 
I know the NHS are not all bad either vieshot :) My mother was a head sister in a NHS hospital for the elderley for almost 20 years and she retired VERY disullusioned about the way the NHS and standard of care for the elderley was going. This was a long time ago though. I am sure since then some things have improved and some things have got worse.

CAYLA the reasons I picked a charity for my cats was because I know friends lives change and there was no-one I thought suitable. Even if one person seemed ok-ish I can't go changeing my will every 5 minutes if their circumstances change - e.g they have a child who is alergic to cats or move to Australia. I used to work for a major UK charity and have a few contacts in the charity world. All the people I asked had good things to say about CT - which is why I chose them. Before I had my pets everything went to Marie Curie as they were FANTASIC helping with my mum when she was dying. Macmillan incidentally were no help. Again I am sure people have had good and bad experiences with both Macmillan and Marie Curie and we can all only go on our own experiences. I for one really appreciate to hear ALL views good and bad. What I have heard re CT has worried me a little. I am glad I heard it though and will make a few more enquiries and perhaps think again re my will and my cats as currently there is someone I would trust with them and who would ensure they had a fab home if in any circumstance she could not take them herself.
 
competitiondiva said:
Fenris said:
competitiondiva said:
Fenris, the amount of anti rspca statements I've read on here stated as fact, not hearsay as cayla pointed out, are ten to the dozen, only ever do you have supporters point out facts contadicting such statements, I've never seen any official rspca post on here, or have I been looking in the wrong places???!!!!

And with reference to your post about 'fees', the 'adoption fee' charged by rescues, can be proven to be less than the cost of neutering, microchipping, vaccinating, paying vets fees associated with that animal on acceptance into the rescue centre etc..... therefore no profit!!!
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If any organisation took action they would probably ask H&H to remove the thread and for the contact details of the poster concerned. It is doubtful any solicitor would put a posting on a public forum!

Pet shop licensing has nothing to do with profit. If you are selling animals for a fee then you have to be licensed. if charities ask a minimum donation it does not matter if the deal is a good or bad one, the issue is whether it amounts to a sale price.

Incidentally, lots of charities get cut price vet fees so the deal may well make a profit, but not if you quote full fees that would be paid by members of the public.
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Hollycat said:
CAYLA the reasons I picked a charity for my cats was because I know friends lives change and there was no-one I thought suitable. Even if one person seemed ok-ish I can't go changeing my will every 5 minutes if their circumstances change - e.g they have a child who is alergic to cats or move to Australia. I used to work for a major UK charity and have a few contacts in the charity world. All the people I asked had good things to say about CT - which is why I chose them. Before I had my pets everything went to Marie Curie as they were FANTASIC helping with my mum when she was dying. Macmillan incidentally were no help. Again I am sure people have had good and bad experiences with both Macmillan and Marie Curie and we can all only go on our own experiences. I for one really appreciate to hear ALL views good and bad. What I have heard re CT has worried me a little. I am glad I heard it though and will make a few more enquiries and perhaps think again re my will and my cats as currently there is someone I would trust with them and who would ensure they had a fab home if in any circumstance she could not take them herself.
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Wills leaving money to charities is a minefield. For instance, what happens if they think the animals should be put down due to ill health? Have you made provision for a second vet opinion? Not saying anyone would try to save on costs by getting rid of such animals, but being cynical it doesn't harm to cover all options.

What about a trust that administers the funding monthly with a clause that the money is distributed elsewhere should the animals die? Might be too expesnive the the amounts involved.

When you next tweak your will have a word with someone who specialises in such legacies and make sure that before you emply them you ask if they or their firm have any connection with or work for any of the charities they suggest you consider.
 
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