Lady, One Week After The Move

iv not followed ladys story at all so im sorry if i miss something out.
i just wanted to say that its great that you have got a new field with lots of grass BUT what happens when winter comes and the grass becomes poor again?
i understand that your friends were supposed to be feeding her and wernt but it takes a while for a horse to lose that much condition and if you were feeding every night YOU should have seen the signs befor it got that bad. as another poster has suggested, why not try haylige (sp?) this winter?
i realy hope you have a better winter this year than last.
 
You have had a lot of good advice on here Jadey, you know by now who talks sense ;)

I do agree very much about about weigh taping weekly, it can be hard to see what is in front of your eyes when you see it every day, seeing it in black and white gives you a better idea.

I would also join http://www.manage-my-horse.com which is free and excellent for record keeping

x
 
ThePinkPony said:
I would leap at the chance to have someone like that offering advice.

I cant understand it, and yes her parents may have vetoed it but surely they would have had the sense to see there is a problem with the horse and at least meet the member?
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Not if they are totally non horsey as my mother always was- she would not have a clue about a horses weight- and would have been wary of meeting a total stranger.....
 
lexiedhb said:
Not if they are totally non horsey as my mother always was- she would not have a clue about a horses weight- and would have been wary of meeting a total stranger.....
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My mum who hates and knows nothing about animals would know that ribs and hips sticking out isn't right, you don't need to know anything to know lady isn't looking good.
 
Well good for your mum- not everyone is the same. If lady was rugged her mother may not have seen her ribs. My mother would not have seen my horse for MONTHS on end when i was young.
All I was saying was perhaps the mother was not aware
 
Would you have let your horse get this thin every year though despite good advice, with or without your mum breathing down your neck? And I only meant that any fool could see the horse was underweight, not that Jades mum has seen the horse. At Jades age I can understand her mum thinking she could leave the horse in her care and not have to worry about supervision.
 
The fact that Jade and her parents left it so long and let Lady get in that state goes to show that either her or her parents don't care.
 
Sorry, but I just cannot see where you are coming from lexiehb.
When you buy an animal, be it a budgie, a horse or even a flipping goldfish, you have a duty of care towards it. If you are a child, then your parents have that responsibility.
Shame on the mother if she was unaware, but shame on Jade for letting it get that far before doing something about it!
Lady did not start looking like that overnight....it took a good while to get like that, and Jade's BASIC equine skills are obviously not up to par given this is the SECOND time she has posted pictures of Lady looking like that in 18 months!
Frankly I wonder if she a) has the time and b) the money needed to take care of any horse, never mind one that is obviously so high maintenence!
 
PonyIAmNotFood said:
Would you have let your horse get this thin every year though despite good advice, with or without your mum breathing down your neck? And I only meant that any fool could see the horse was underweight, not that Jades mum has seen the horse. At Jades age I can understand her mum thinking she could leave the horse in her care and not have to worry about supervision.
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agree with this. im 21 and have had horses since i was 13. my mother never got involved with my horses. i also had to pay for every thing myself out of my paper round / cleaning job money. i never let my horse get that thin, its common sence and age is no excuse.
 
I may be wrong, but Jade did mention that she had let her chill over winter. I expect that her rugs were rarely, if ever removed and therefore Jade had no idea what she was like underneath. That is the only way to explain how she didn't notice until two weeks before moving her. No excuse at all.

A friend of mine had a horse on full livery whilst she(the owner) had an operation. She visited the horse daily to give her a fuss and some treats. However it was 6 weeks before she was fit enough to remove her rugs and groom her. What she then saw shocked herto the core. The horse was emaciated! She had been paying full livery for her horse to be starved! So not removing rugs can hide a multitude of sins.
 
joeanne said:
Sorry, but I just cannot see where you are coming from lexiehb.
When you buy an animal, be it a budgie, a horse or even a flipping goldfish, you have a duty of care towards it. If you are a child, then your parents have that responsibility.
Shame on the mother if she was unaware, but shame on Jade for letting it get that far before doing something about it!
Lady did not start looking like that overnight....it took a good while to get like that, and Jade's BASIC equine skills are obviously not up to par given this is the SECOND time she has posted pictures of Lady looking like that in 18 months!
Frankly I wonder if she a) has the time and b) the money needed to take care of any horse, never mind one that is obviously so high maintenence!
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............and i can not see yours. It was MY hobby, my mother knew naff all about horses, so would have been as useful as a chocolate teapot, yes she made sure i had lessons/ went to pony club camp and was around horsey folk- but unless I or someone else told her she would not have been aware of any problems relating to said horse-

jade is not a "kid" of 10 but 17.

Jade has stated she is trying to do right by this mare- as moved somewhere where people on site CAN help her- so hopefully she will plan this winter far more carefully. Although unless this mare is the utmost picture of health i doubt she will repost on here.
 
You cant see my point....
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THUNK.....
You HONESTLY think there is ANY excuse for that poor mare looking like a sack of s**t????
She would not look out of place in a before pic in one of those welfare ads.....
Christ on a bike....
So Jade's incapacity to adequately care for her horse, and her mothers incapacity to supervise is ok because Jade is "trying"?
Where in gods name does that help Lady?
I'm going to go and nail my hand to a table.....its got to hurt less than this.......
 
Wagtail said:
I may be wrong, but Jade did mention that she had let her chill over winter. I expect that her rugs were rarely, if ever removed and therefore Jade had no idea what she was like underneath. That is the only way to explain how she didn't notice until two weeks before moving her. No excuse at all.

A friend of mine had a horse on full livery whilst she(the owner) had an operation. She visited the horse daily to give her a fuss and some treats. However it was 6 weeks before she was fit enough to remove her rugs and groom her. What she then saw shocked herto the core. The horse was emaciated! She had been paying full livery for her horse to be starved! So not removing rugs can hide a multitude of sins.
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Unfortunatley that just shows jades complete ignorance and disregard for the horses wellbeing, with a history of dramatic weight loss within the last 2 years, a history of being a 'poor doer' the winter. She SHOULD have been checking under that rug constantly, not just assuming that she was getting fed and keeping the weight on. Even if the mare was getting her 3 allotted meals a day (which I know she wasn't) there was still the possibility that this could not have been enough and that the mare would lose weight. Ergo:

A horse chilling in the field for the winter with a history of looking like a toast rack in the winter, should be watched like a hawk, that includes actually getting off one's a r s e and taking a rug off to check. Pretty blo ody basic common sense there, which this young lady is obviously lacking in.

Jade you have some great advice here from others so take it:

Hopefully your change of yards will help but in addition I would say be responsible for your own horse, you give it the feeds and you check under its rug that way you know it is being done
 
This thread is so depressing. :(

I do think the horse has improved slightly but in two years I’d have hoped for a bit more of an improvement so honestly thinking a vet should be looking at this horse rather than us giving the OP the same advise over and over again.

Novice owner, dodgy dealer and it’s the horse that’s getting the raw deal by the looks of it.
 
It appears to me that there have been a great many excuses for the state of the pony and none of them appear to be JadeyyAndLadyy's. You don't need the posters to tell you what is wrong with this pony - you need to reflect and face it yourself. Your immaturity is evident in your avoidance to accept your mistakes.
 
joeanne said:
You cant see my point....
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Wall
THUNK.....
You HONESTLY think there is ANY excuse for that poor mare looking like a sack of s**t????
She would not look out of place in a before pic in one of those welfare ads.....
Christ on a bike....
So Jade's incapacity to adequately care for her horse, and her mothers incapacity to supervise is ok because Jade is "trying"?
Where in gods name does that help Lady?
I'm going to go and nail my hand to a table.....its got to hurt less than this.......
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if it stops you typing more of this drivel then all for the good! :)

That was not the POINT- I am not saying the state of the hoss is acceptable- although for her age etc i have seen many worse, despite all the food they could eat, rugs, vet care etc.

MY point was with regards to her mother not knowing about the situation, as mine would not have done.
 
Lexi - to be fair Joeanne rarely types drivel ;)

And she does actually make a very salient point.

If a child has a pet, it is incumbent upon the parent to ensure that that pet is well looked after - regardless of what type of animal it is. The nature of the hobby is no excuse not to.

Come on, you know that..........

It's not a direct criticsm of your parent, just a very valid point.
 
Right so i give an opinion which is MY experience, as in, it happened to me, and it would seem that of others, and this opinion has to be wrong..... okedokey. I have never said it was the perfect scenario.



Where is this perfect world that you all live in? :rolleyes:
 
lexiedhb said:
Right so i give an opinion which is MY experience, as in, it happened to me, and it would seem that of others, and this opinion has to be wrong..... okedokey. I have never said it was the perfect scenario.



Where is this perfect world that you all live in? :rolleyes:
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We can have differing opinions - and yes, sometimes one of us are wrong......:o
 
lexiedhb said:
............and i can not see yours. It was MY hobby, my mother knew naff all about horses, so would have been as useful as a chocolate teapot, yes she made sure i had lessons/ went to pony club camp and was around horsey folk- but unless I or someone else told her she would not have been aware of any problems relating to said horse-

jade is not a "kid" of 10 but 17.

Jade has stated she is trying to do right by this mare- as moved somewhere where people on site CAN help her- so hopefully she will plan this winter far more carefully. Although unless this mare is the utmost picture of health i doubt she will repost on here.
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I grew up in a similar way - mum knew nothing about horses (i was aged 13 with first pony), she thought it was ok to feed him Mars Bars and wouldnt know the difference between what was "normal" for a horses, even to this day (cushings and Lammi) she still wants to feed the Mars Bars and Chocolate Digestives. I count my blessings i surrounded myself with great horse people that passed all their experiences and knowledge onto me.

This is exactly what Jadey- ok Ladey more needs.. she has clearly lacked any guidance on basic horse management, would be interesting to see if the mare improves now she has moved yards.. fingers crossed and i hope she takes up the advice and support offered in here for the mares sake.
 
Thus far I have refrained from commenting on this thread, I don't really have anything to add which hasn't already been said but I have read through Jade's previous posts and seen the pictures. If this had been Jade's first winter at trying to manage an elderly horse then perhaps I could have been more sympathetic but for it to happen a second time, come on!!

Jade has been offered excellent advice by others on the forum of which it seems, very little has been taken. There always seems to be an excuse…. “…. I worm counted her on Friday” “ ……the vet’s coming out next week…”, “…. my friend was supposed to be feeding her”. I had a 28 year old TBx mare with a heart murmur who never looked like this, even after the hardest of winters. My mum's older horse is 35, has barely a tooth in her head and is arthritic and we have always managed to keep weight on her too.

I don’t know Jade, she obviously has good intentions but good intentions won’t put weight and condition on that mare. This isn’t some romanticised children’s book where the kids keep ponies out in fields and still manage to win Hickstead at the weekend, the reality, as we all know, is blooming hard work.

As for Jade’s mum not being horsey, that one doesn’t really wash either. One of the conditions of owning the horse should have been that she was kept at a yard with knowledgeable people not just dumped in a mate’s field, fingers crossed, hope for the best. Surely, there is a certain responsibility there for her parents to ensure that the horse is looked after properly, whether they know what they're doing or they involve people who do.

As we all know, owning horses is always a learning curve and despite having owned my own for 30 years, I still listen to the advice others have to offer. Maybe it’s time that Jade really began to take on board what people are trying to tell her, without the excuses.
 
I'm sorry but your horse shouldn't of got in that state FACT!

You say you were visiting once a day, and a friend in morning. Even if the friend didn't come to feed her, it's your horse. Do it your self!!!

Ok you can't drive, then why put your horse in field 40 mins from your house?

Did you not remove her rugs all winter?

So she's 20 with no underlining medical conditions, she really shouldn't of got so bad. And it falls down on you. Your the owner, the horse wasn't on loan, you were still visiting her daily

Shame on you
 
hunting mad said:
I think everyones opinion is valid on this thread.....surely the more ideas the better chance of helping the mare?
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yes, but only if the sane and sensible advice is acted upon!

Lets face it, not all horses keep weight on well, some are poor doers in the winter etc, BUT a lot of advice was given last time around, and it was good helpful and knowledgable, it appears that advice is taken and implemented by OP but only implemented half heartedly.

Having had this happen to her mare before there is no excuse for not watching her weight like a hawk this winter, there should be no instance of 'I believed she was being fed' only 'I knew she was recieving 3 good meals a day because I was giving her them!!!!'

To let this happen to the mare a second time is just not on (and those are not my first word choices!)

So many questions like: Why didn't OP move her nearer sooner to make winter management easier? Why wasn't OP removing the rug?

OP honestly, I was full of sympathy for you last time and believed you were trying your best to rectify the situation and learn from your mistakes, now I am full of sympathy for your horse and appauled at you for passing the blame to others and not learning from your past mistakes, this should NEVER have happened this time!
 
Mucky Shavings said:
I'm sorry but your horse shouldn't of got in that state FACT!

You say you were visiting once a day, and a friend in morning. Even if the friend didn't come to feed her, it's your horse. Do it your self!!!

Ok you can't drive, then why put your horse in field 40 mins from your house?
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If you have bothered to read the thread, rather than jumping on the general bandwagon, you will see that it's aim was to advise people that the horse has been moved to the OP's village - and so is located a mere walk away from here house.

The rest has been covered.;)
 
From the OPs profile
Date of Birth April 2, 1992 (19)

So is she 17 or 19???But Irrespective of age of OP ,Lady should still not have been allowed to get in this state AGAIN.
 
joeanne said:
You cant see my point....
Head
Wall
THUNK.....
You HONESTLY think there is ANY excuse for that poor mare looking like a sack of s**t????
She would not look out of place in a before pic in one of those welfare ads.....
Christ on a bike....
So Jade's incapacity to adequately care for her horse, and her mothers incapacity to supervise is ok because Jade is "trying"?
Where in gods name does that help Lady?
I'm going to go and nail my hand to a table.....its got to hurt less than this.......
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I totally sympathise,
Quite rightly you are saying that if a parent allows her teenage daughter to take on the responsibility of a horse they should oversee its welfare. Lexiedhb says her mum wouldn't have known / recognise when a horse is undernourished.

I'm in your court so to speak. Someone would either have to be very thick not to see ribs and bones and not even question why the animal is thin or they never see the animal to know which Is equally irresponsible.
 
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It needs removing into better care by mid August,come winter she will go into starvation mode again,we all can see that;get it removed for pity`s sake.
 
EAST KENT said:
It needs removing into better care by mid August,come winter she will go into starvation mode again,we all can see that;get it removed for pity`s sake.
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I cant see anyone would take the mare on,and rescue centres are at bursting points.........i see only one option to prevent this happeneing again
 
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