Lame horse after farrier... Video :(

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I could sob. A week ago B felt a little footy on stones after a twenty minute hack. Got home, there was a farrier on the yard so asked him to hoof test him and he found a sensitive area which we thought abscess/bruise. Shoe off, wet poultice, hoof boot and turnout and nothing came out. Dry poultice still nothing. Hacked him last night in the hoof boot and horse felt normal.

Great. Except my farrier has moved counties so I had a new one today (who I have met before as he helps my old farrier out). I thought whilst he was being shod that he was taking that toe back a far whack but didn't question it as I didn't want to interfere. Anyway my horse trotted up afterwards like this

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I am so so gutted. He does look lamer on his off fore which is where the abscess or rather bruise (assume bruise now as he's completely non reactive to hoof testers on it now) was but to be honest he just looks horrid and pottery and sore and I feel horrendous. This is exactly what happened with Torres when his issues started, toe got taken back too quickly and it all unravelled from there. Farrier checked for sole pressure etc and said it must be that the toe had been taken back more than norm but I just don't see what I can do other than wait?

I have buted him and farrier is coming back tomorrow if he's worse but I don't know that re fitting the shoes will help, possibly do more harm if he's already sore.

I just hate seeing him sore and it terrifies me as ive been through this before and it is all too similar (though different farrier!)
 
Sorry michen I am no lameness expert but just to say try not to worry that it's going to be like with Torres. I bet it's that the abscess or bruise just hasn't come out yet. Are you still poulticing?
 
kinnygirl1 said:
Sorry michen I am no lameness expert but just to say try not to worry that it's going to be like with Torres. I bet it's that the abscess or bruise just hasn't come out yet. Are you still poulticing?
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No he came sound before he was shod, he felt absolutely fine until he was shod then was like this :( Not reacting whatsoever to hoof testers where the bruise is. Urgh!
 
Aw what a shame. try not to worry too much, the hoof will adapt in a week or two hopefully (i had one trim mine back 1cm after telling me there was nothing to take. 1cm for a 30" horse is A LOT)

Just give it a day or two. If no better tell them so, they should hopefully come back out. Mine did not, he ignored me totally and even went as far to blank me on yard when he was out to others (who, funny, have been lame, but they don't think that its the farriers fault!)
 
Poor boy. My horse can be v senstive with his feet, and used to always be sore after shoeing until I moved to another county. His current farrier does a great job of keeping his feet looking good without taking them back too much and making him sore.
I would keep him in over the weekend and try not to worry too much, I am sure he will be fine after a rest. And ask new farrier to be a bit more cautious with trimming his toes next time.
 
Well you know what I am going to say, I would want shoes off and not put them back on for a bit to let it recover, have you boots that might fit? I have cavallo simples and sports in a 4 or some 2.5 easyboot gloves I would happily bring up to you.
 
ester said:
Well you know what I am going to say, I would want shoes off and not put them back on for a bit to let it recover, have you boots that might fit? I have cavallo simples and sports in a 4 or some 2.5 easyboot gloves I would happily bring up to you.
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Oh bless you! That's super kind. I have some of T's that fit him perfectly- he had one on when I was turning him out with a poultice. I just don't know if taking the shoes off will stress the feet even more, given he's been shod for the last four years? His frogs are good but his soles are soft at the moment and I suspect rather thin (he's on barefoot diet, forage plus etc). I'm concerned that it would cause him even more soreness at the moment?

Hmmmm... I'm itching to pull them, his feet could certainly do with some time out of shoes but he's not my horse.
 
Sorry to hear this. Further to Ester's response, I have some Cavallo sports size 3 sitting around unused which you can borrow. You and I have a mutual friend - Ahrena. Ask her if Basil's feet are the same size as Cam's, given their breeding they are quite likely to be. I can drop them down to your yard later as my son is at school near there. x

PS sorry if that sounds a bit stalkerish!!

ester said:
Well you know what I am going to say, I would want shoes off and not put them back on for a bit to let it recover, have you boots that might fit? I have cavallo simples and sports in a 4 or some 2.5 easyboot gloves I would happily bring up to you.
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ETA - just seen your update! Glad you have some that fit. x
 
I'd pull them for a couple of weeks and boot with pads I think that has to stress them less than nailing the shoes back onto sore feet, let him grow a bit of length back, bute if necessary.
 
I call the farrier back and get him to take the show off straight away. If my horse is ever lame after shoeing (which he hasn't been) the farrier says to always tell him so he can come back and fix the potential problem. I've seen horses where the farrier has nailed a bit close and re fitting the show helps. If the farrier has taken his toes back far enough he makes him lame then I'd be looking for another farrier.
 
Thank you!! Luckily I kept hold of a pair of T's many boots. Thanks so much for the offer though. You are all super kind (not stalkerish at all)

nikicb said:
Sorry to hear this. Further to Ester's response, I have some Cavallo sports size 3 sitting around unused which you can borrow. You and I have a mutual friend - Ahrena. Ask her if Basil's feet are the same size as Cam's, given their breeding they are quite likely to be. I can drop them down to your yard later as my son is at school near there. x

PS sorry if that sounds a bit stalkerish!!




ETA - just seen your update! Glad you have some that fit. x
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ester said:
Well you know what I am going to say, I would want shoes off and not put them back on for a bit to let it recover, have you boots that might fit? I have cavallo simples and sports in a 4 or some 2.5 easyboot gloves I would happily bring up to you.
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Sorry for thread hijack, OP, but Ester are you pleased with the Cavallo simples? Got a pair coming on hire, plus a pair of Cavallo treks (horse is in between on sizing, so trying both.). Am a newbie to hoof boots.

OP, back to Basil, I know you must be thinking 'Oh no, not again' but this looks like a much less sinister lameness this time. Fingers crossed he's soon sound again.
 
Thanks :). I know you didn't ask me but I love the treks, super lightweight! X

Tiddlypom said:
Sorry for thread hijack, OP, but Ester are you pleased with the Cavallo simples? Got a pair coming on hire, plus a pair of Cavallo treks (horse is in between on sizing, so trying both.). Am a newbie to hoof boots.

OP, back to Basil, I know you must be thinking 'Oh no, not again' but this looks like a much less sinister lameness this time. Fingers crossed he's soon sound again.
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Tiddlypom said:
Sorry for thread hijack, OP, but Ester are you pleased with the Cavallo simples? Got a pair coming on hire, plus a pair of Cavallo treks (horse is in between on sizing, so trying both.). Am a newbie to hoof boots.

OP, back to Basil, I know you must be thinking 'Oh no, not again' but this looks like a much less sinister lameness this time. Fingers crossed he's soon sound again.
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pub lunch, report back later ;)
 
This is pretty much exactly how one of my liveries looked when he went back home. New farrier that the owner had, horse would be shod, terribly lame, then come right, shod again, go lame again, then come right. She's a friend of CDJ and decided to use her farrier for a change. When he removed the shoes, he was presented with multiple bruising do to pressure points from the shoes not being perfectly flat and balanced, as well as the hoof wall. New farrier said to leave him rested without shoes for two weeks, went back, shod him properly and he's been sound ever since.

Don't rule anything out and don't worry about questioning your farrier. Mine was here doing a liveries horse this week and he got so frustrated with one shoe because he just wasn't happy with it/couldn't get it right no matter how much he hammered it on the anvil, that he chucked it and started over with a new one. Point is...it's easy to hurt the hooves if there is something amiss so don't be afraid to question or get someone else.
 
_GG_ said:
This is pretty much exactly how one of my liveries looked when he went back home. New farrier that the owner had, horse would be shod, terribly lame, then come right, shod again, go lame again, then come right. She's a friend of CDJ and decided to use her farrier for a change. When he removed the shoes, he was presented with multiple bruising do to pressure points from the shoes not being perfectly flat and balanced, as well as the hoof wall. [...]
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Sorry to hijack Michen, but this is exactly what's been going on with my horse since changing farrier last summer (some of you might remember the thread!) :(. I think I'm going to finally take the plunge and go BF.
 
DirectorFury said:
Sorry to hijack Michen, but this is exactly what's been going on with my horse since changing farrier last summer (some of you might remember the thread!) :(. I think I'm going to finally take the plunge and go BF.
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Hope your horse recovers.

Irrelevant, but never posting from my phone again...apart from now, lol. Autocorrected *due* to *do*!
 
Tiddlypom said:
Sorry for thread hijack, OP, but Ester are you pleased with the Cavallo simples? Got a pair coming on hire, plus a pair of Cavallo treks (horse is in between on sizing, so trying both.). Am a newbie to hoof boots.

OP, back to Basil, I know you must be thinking 'Oh no, not again' but this looks like a much less sinister lameness this time. Fingers crossed he's soon sound again.
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Right, my usual boots are gloves
I acquired the cavallos while poulticing/wanted to get a a plastic bag on the inside which can't do with gloves.
IMO they are heavy, clumpy and I wouldn't want to ride in them.
The treks are I think more like the sports (you can have them with a normal or slim(sports) sole) and I think will be an all round better boots. The sports are half the weight of the simples and F can get away with the slightly narrower sole (though the simples didn't spin even in the field). I still think the breakover point is better on gloves though.
They did start to rub, even with a sock but obviously it was on for quite a long time. If I were using them long term I would use some easyboot old mac gaiters I think.
 
Michen said:
Thanks :). I know you didn't ask me but I love the treks, super lightweight! X
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Thanks, Michen, and also Ester (hope the pub grub was good :)).

Very helpful hoof boot lady recommended regular treks based on my photos and measurements, but sods law dicates that size 2 regular treks seem to be out of stock everywhere, so she's suggested trying the simples in a 2. Will try treks in a 1 (but 2s most likely to fit), both are on hire so can fiddle about a bit.

(Apologies again for thread hijack.)
 
Just to update. Had shoes pulled and within ten minutes he was presenting like a laminitic and could hardly walk even in hoof boots. Pounding pulse, raised heart beat, emergency vet and a huge shot of painkillers he's now on a deep bed being treated like a laminitic.. Which is essentially what the vet called it. "Stress laminitis".

He looks exactly like T when I pulled his shoes for MRI. How ironic that history is repeating itself nearly a year after his death :(
 
AandK said:
Poor boy. My horse can be v senstive with his feet, and used to always be sore after shoeing until I moved to another county. His current farrier does a great job of keeping his feet looking good without taking them back too much and making him sore.
I would keep him in over the weekend and try not to worry too much, I am sure he will be fine after a rest. And ask new farrier to be a bit more cautious with trimming his toes next time.
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If you have to tell farrier how to do his job, you are in a difficult place.
But, you can ask that he trots up be4 and after.
 
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If you and your vet are clear that the problem originated from the first farrier, you should report him to the FRC (assuming you are in the UK). They are quick enough to jump on trimmers, lets tell them to get their own house in order? My former farrier was constantly telling me trimmers aren't regulated, well maybe we should use the regulatory powers farriers are working under.
 
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JillA said:
If you and your vet are clear that the problem originated from the first farrier, you should report him to the FRC (assuming you are in the UK). They are quick enough to jump on trimmers, lets tell them to get their own house in order? My former farrier was constantly telling me trimmers aren't regulated, well maybe we should use the regulatory powers farriers are working under.
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yes, well, nice bit of naivety ..... its a bit like the vet society, but less professional ....
who will say " in my professional opinion" ... blah blah , they never ever are going to accept culpability.
 
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:( Michen
I was going to ask if he was poss lami but thought that in his condition it was unlikely, I hadn't really considered stress lami.
It is not history repeating itself though, even if it feels like it. I hope he starts to feel better asap.

The FRC are useless but I would be reporting regardless and wanting to know what the farrier had to say for themselves.
 
Thanks guys. I'm just devastated to be honest. Seeing him in so much pain is horrid though he's better today all drugged up. Not to mention a probably ruined summer and an end to our eventing unless some miraculous recovery is made.
 
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