Lame... PLEASE look (pics inc) farrier issue?

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I have had my TB a little over 6 weeks now & after his second shoeing he is lame.

I had him shod all around after him struggling a little with the increased hacking we had been doing - so you might expect after months of not having shoes on his backs (and then only racing plates) he might be a little ouchy or feel strange until he got used... But it's his front right which seems to be causing him grief.
I got the farrier back out the following day, fairly knarked that he had seemingly lamed him & he took a very careful look - said there was no sign of abscess, no sign of nail bind. He re-checked as I had, for swelling, increased pulse & heat -- none! Said the only thing he could suggest was that he had taken a LOT of toe off, and perhaps he was feeling a little footsore...

A week later & he is STILL lame.
I have been through every emotion & I have tried everything I know how to - tomorrow I will (of course) be calling the vets, but until then I was wondering if anyone could offer any stories of anything similar, or any moral support, or even suggestions as to what's gone wrong.

He DOES have typical TB feet; long toe, low heel.
He is bobbing & clearly lame on the hard in walk and outright refuses to trot.
In the sand school however he is short but better in walk & will trot when pushed, but again bobs and struggles...

Here are pics of his feet currently:
 
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no pics yet ?

Did you have him vetted ? i think the first plan of action has to be the vet, and a full lameness work up. It may be nothing to do with his feet - and riding him could be bringing up an issue ?
 
shysmum said:
no pics yet ?

Did you have him vetted ? i think the first plan of action has to be the vet, and a full lameness work up. It may be nothing to do with his feet - and riding him could be bringing up an issue ?
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Sorry just to clarify, not been riding him. Everything I've done since he's been lame has been from the ground... I wouldn't do that to him :)
 
you should take him to the vet for an x ray. my horse kept being lame and nobody know why until the x ray when we found out that his pedal bone was too low and this was stretching his tendons. He's now on remedial shoeing
 
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L&B said:
I have had my TB a little over 6 weeks now & after his second shoeing he is lame.

I had him shod all around after him struggling a little with the increased hacking we had been doing - so you might expect after months of not having shoes on his backs (and then only racing plates) he might be a little ouchy or feel strange until he got used... But it's his front right which seems to be causing him grief.
I got the farrier back out the following day, fairly knarked that he had seemingly lamed him & he took a very careful look - said there was no sign of abscess, no sign of nail bind. He re-checked as I had, for swelling, increased pulse & heat -- none! Said the only thing he could suggest was that he had taken a LOT of toe off, and perhaps he was feeling a little footsore...

A week later & he is STILL lame.
I have been through every emotion & I have tried everything I know how to - tomorrow I will (of course) be calling the vets, but until then I was wondering if anyone could offer any stories of anything similar, or any moral support, or even suggestions as to what's gone wrong.

He DOES have typical TB feet; long toe, low heel.
He is bobbing & clearly lame on the hard in walk and outright refuses to trot.
In the sand school however he is short but better in walk & will trot when pushed, but again bobs and struggles...

Here are pics of his feet currently:
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So you had him shod because "he struggled a little" and now he's "clearly lame".

How are those shoes working out for ya?

Get the vet ;)
 
Oberon said:
So you had him shod because "he struggled a little" and now he's "clearly lame".

How are those shoes working out for ya?

Get the vet ;)
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Vets coming out tomorrow, if I can get them... As I say above ^^
However (and I've a feeling you're going to LOVE this)... It was the vet who advised I got back shoes put on :rolleyes:
 
The farrier has dubbed the toe its what they do to counteract the underslung heel, it doesn't work only masks the problem, he has also fitted your horse with a shoe that isn't even flat to the ground, and pinching his frogs, and the sole appears to be proud of the shoe so will be putting great pressure on the inner and outer wall, basically if you farrier thought that was a good job, sack him.

You could try another farrier, or try barefoot with boots to rehab your horses feet, whatever you do you have to do it very soon, your horse is attempting to recify the problem look at the event line and the band, there is a plethera of advice about hooves on the internet now and you are allowed to learn as much if not more than your farrier.

What you will find is that farriers like to keep us in a mushroom state, and by that I mean keep us (the owner) in the dark and feed us BS.

Whereas Barefooters are happy to pass on all examples, diet, contact numbers etc..

as they say a little knowledge can be dangerous, that is why I looked at everything, read everything and talked about everything, alot of knowledge to be had out there, good luck
 
thank goodness for that lol. :)

rather than the shoeing id prop, if its the fronts you are having a problem with, look at his work load and when the lameness started. you had back shoes put on because his workload has increased and that could be part of the issue (the workload not the back shoes).

hope you get things sorted :)
 
snopuma said:
The farrier has dubbed the toe its what they do to counteract the underslung heel, it doesn't work only masks the problem, he has also fitted your horse with a shoe that isn't even flat to the ground, and pinching his frogs, and the sole appears to be proud of the shoe so will be putting great pressure on the inner and outer wall, basically if you farrier thought that was a good job, sack him.

You could try another farrier, or try barefoot with boots to rehab your horses feet, whatever you do you have to do it very soon, your horse is attempting to recify the problem look at the event line and the band, there is a plethera of advice about hooves on the internet now and you are allowed to learn as much if not more than your farrier.

What you will find is that farriers like to keep us in a mushroom state, and by that I mean keep us (the owner) in the dark and feed us BS.

Whereas Barefooters are happy to pass on all examples, diet, contact numbers etc..

as they say a little knowledge can be dangerous, that is why I looked at everything, read everything and talked about everything, alot of knowledge to be had out there, good luck
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What brilliant information!! Thankyou so much!!
Can I ask then. The farrier is coming back out tomorrow - I have also been given the number of a newly qualified (but apparently brilliant) female farrier in my area.
What would you do? Get the original farrier to take another look? Or call out the female farrier & start afresh, asking her to take off the shoe & what to do if needed?
Or vets vets vets immediately?? :(
 
L&B said:
What brilliant information!! Thankyou so much!!
Can I ask then. The farrier is coming back out tomorrow - I have also been given the number of a newly qualified (but apparently brilliant) female farrier in my area.
What would you do? Get the original farrier to take another look? Or call out the female farrier & start afresh, asking her to take off the shoe & what to do if needed?
Or vets vets vets immediately?? :(
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It wouldn't hurt to get a second opinion.

What is the horse eating?
 
As the owner of an ex-racehorse that has had on-off front hoof lameness for virtually all of the 3 years that I have owned him you do have my sympathies.
However, please don't make the mistake that I did of hanging on the every word of a farrier that believes the answer to all ill's is a metal shoe. And then allowing him and a vet that obviously knew no better to contribute (rather than address) to my horse's problems with remedial shoes.
If you do nothing else please find a new farrier that has a more balanced view of hoof care. One that will consider other options than just "chasing the foot" (a term used by my new brilliant farrier) and give your horse the chance of a sound future.
As mentioned before there is a wealth of information out there and you owe it to your horse to arm yourself with as much as you can.
 
No advice as I'm far too inexperienced but I've just had my girls shoes off due to bruising and I can't tell you how happy she looks in hoof boots. She gets such a stomp on, striding out and stretching down. If you are struggling really consider some boots, they protect soles and frogs while giving the foot the stimulus it needs to grow and improve.
 
Oberon said:
Came out more caustic than it was meant ;)

Having said that - I am a little frustrated by sick hooves and horses in pain with a frantic owner in the middle not knowing where to turn :(.



Ah yes. Magic shoes fix everything.
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(oooh! I've learnt how to multi-quote!)
I didn't take it to be that way, don't worry :) -- has there been a lot of this lately then??
I would ABSOLUTELY LOVE for my lad to be barefoot & happy... I have always owned hardier horses than my lad just now & really dislike he has crap feet & I've been told to have him shod.

Oberon said:
It wouldn't hurt to get a second opinion.

What is the horse eating?
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I have contacted previously mentioned female farrier, who has said she will come out first thing Saturday morn (9am) & said it doesn't sound right, but she will have a look & do her best.
He's is out in the day (or was before coming up lame & box rest) so winter grazing & one meal a day of: graze-on & calm & condition (I add sunflower oil, turmeric and flexi-limbs) x
 
Kat said:
No advice as I'm far too inexperienced but I've just had my girls shoes off due to bruising and I can't tell you how happy she looks in hoof boots. She gets such a stomp on, striding out and stretching down. If you are struggling really consider some boots, they protect soles and frogs while giving the foot the stimulus it needs to grow and improve.
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Can you recommend any boots please?? :)
 
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