LAMENESS - Horse sound in straight Line, Lame in a circle?

horsegirl101 said:
I have already had the farrier out, she saw him trotted up, checked his foot with the pincer things and used a heat sensitive scanner, she said it is not an abscess, probably a bruised sole and that I should rest it until it goes or contact her if it worsens.
What more can a vet do??!!!
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Your farrier [is she a registered WCF], suggests you ring her if things get worse ....
What is she going to now............ she can't see a bruise and says there is no abscess, is that not the end of her remit?
I am sure you said somewhere the hoof is hot........... does that not tell you something?
 
MrsD123 said:
Your farrier [is she a registered WCF], suggests you ring her if things get worse ....
What is she going to now............ she can't see a bruise and says there is no abscess, is that not the end of her remit?
I am sure you said somewhere the hoof is hot........... does that not tell you something?
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I am amazed a farrier would say this it's not lawful and most are very careful not to overstep the mark.
 
Lamness is far more likely to show up on a circle, especially if on hard ground eg concrete, hence why this is often done on a 5 stage vetting as a test for soundness.

I tend to call my farrier for lamness intially so don't see you have done anything wrong. Have you been advised to poultice as that can help ease bruising?
 
lhotse said:
Poor trolling, 2/10 at most....
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Sadly I do not believe it is a troll, the OP has a youtube account, as given on her HH profile page, with multiple videos of her and her pony (lovely looking pony may I add) in the one video I flicked on the pony had some form of cream/ointment between the front legs where the OP has pointed out on previous threads that her pony has sarcoids. This leads me to believe that this is a genuine post and should be treated as such.
 
lhotse said:
Ok, then she needs to get the vet to see why her pony is lame!!!
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I don't think she does. She has a mildly, very mildly, lame pony showing exactly the symptoms which can be expected of a very common hoof problem, a bruise. She has a fully qualified farrier who has told her that the horse very likely has a bruise which she thinks is safe to leave for a few days to see what happens.

Her only 'mistake' is to think that it is unusual for a horse to be sound on the straight and lame on a circle, for which she has been publicly crucified and called a troll.

If everyone called the vet in such circumstances then horse insurance would be totally unaffordable.

OP, your strategy is fine. If your pony deteriorates or fails to improve, get a vet, otherwise, keep calm and carry on.
 
Several of us have admitted we do not call the vet out every time out horses are lame .
Sorry I think this is a classic example of good old h&h witch hunt.
Agree with all the post above from cptrayes
 
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I think the problem has arisen from the OP's comment about the vet being expensive and she wishes to help her horse in other ways to save money - that doesn't give a great impression tbh.
 
Moomin1 said:
I think the problem has arisen from the OP's comment about the vet being expensive and she wishes to help her horse in other ways to save money - that doesn't give a great impression tbh.
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She just sounds young and wrote in a naive way to me Moomin.

She's been well punished for her naivety, I reckon..
 
Yes I think it is as much that although we wouldn't call the vet asap for every lameness we wouldn't be asking a random forum either.
 
ester said:
Yes I think it is as much that although we wouldn't call the vet asap for every lameness we wouldn't be asking a random forum either.
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I think she got the full blast from HHO due to her lack of knowledge, yes we all have to start somewhere, but her main reason for asking on a forum was pretty woolly, we cannot diagnose, neither can her trimmer/farrier. so she has received a bit of education, though I don't think she will be grateful!
She now knows it is normal for lameness to show up on a turning circle, that is why it is used as a diagnostic by vets.
Does she realise that heat in the hoof is not likely to be related to the shoulder, maybe if she had thought about it she would realise that it must be lower down.

It is vital that a proper diagnosis is made quickly with certain conditions because some need box rest........
 
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horsegirl101 said:
MY PONY IS LAME!! ARGH!:mad:
Weirdly though, when he first went lame he came in from the field hopping lame, yet three days later the lameness was nearly all gone, in fact he was totally sound in walk and trot on hard ground, but lame when turning/on circle (and only to left side). Had farrier out, she said possibly a bruised sole...
There is no heat or swelling in the leg, though the foot is hot. Could it be the shoulder, or is it something in the foot?
Any ideas anyone?
Help much appreciated, thanks in advance :);)
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Sounds just what my horse had a bruised sole. But if nothing has been resolved after all this time then you need to do something.
 
horsegirl101 said:
He is unshod, and she has tested the hoof (if you mean with the pincers). No abscess, she says, definitely not. She says it could be a bruised sole, but the fact that he is lame on a circle and not on the straight seems a bit weird to me...
Any ideas what it could be?
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I'll chuck something in there for you - the horse is probably bilaterally lame, and may have the start of coffin joint disease.

Your vet will either be able to confirm or refute this by doing a lameness work up and x-rays.
 
horsegirl101 said:
Good point, however it is e-x-p-e-n-s-i-v-e and I prefer to help him in other ways without calling the vet to save a little dosh!
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My first call out for Barry was £40. If that kind of price is a bank breaker for you then horses are probably the wrong animal to have. Or any animal, actually.

I am not a "vet out at every little scratch person", and a PhD student (albeit it a very well paid one), my bank account certainly prefers me to see my vet as little as possible. But if my horse needs the vet, I sucker up and pay. Not ask people on the internet using a pretty vague description and hope they will save me money!
 
Could I throw in that it could also be suspensory damage as that can show more on a circle... bring on the scans, box rest, long bring back into work and not to mention the shock waved therapy...... but probably best to do nothing and hope it goes away :cool:
 
cptrayes said:
I don't think she does. She has a mildly, very mildly, lame pony showing exactly the symptoms which can be expected of a very common hoof problem, a bruise. She has a fully qualified farrier who has told her that the horse very likely has a bruise which she thinks is safe to leave for a few days to see what happens.

Her only 'mistake' is to think that it is unusual for a horse to be sound on the straight and lame on a circle, for which she has been publicly crucified and called a troll.

If everyone called the vet in such circumstances then horse insurance would be totally unaffordable.

OP, your strategy is fine. If your pony deteriorates or fails to improve, get a vet, otherwise, keep calm and carry on.
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I agree with this and recently called vet out to my young horse who came in hopping lame literally on 3 legs .Vet thought he had also done something horrendous to his back as he virtually fell on the floor when he touched him. The horse had bruised his hoof and there was absolutely nothing wrong with my wimpy horse other than being very frightened of my vet (He had bad injury earlier in year). Personally I always ring vet and we discuss what do do before it warrants call out Im sure your vet will be happy to discuss without any charge. I would recommend you make the call to get expert opinion :)
 
cellie said:
I agree with this and recently called vet out to my young horse who came in hopping lame literally on 3 legs .Vet thought he had also done something horrendous to his back as he virtually fell on the floor when he touched him. The horse had bruised his hoof and there was absolutely nothing wrong with my wimpy horse other than being very frightened of my vet (He had bad injury earlier in year). Personally I always ring vet and we discuss what do do before it warrants call out Im sure your vet will be happy to discuss without any charge. I would recommend you make the call to get expert opinion :)
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We called the emergency vet once and were convinced pony had broken pelvis or similar, turned out to be a HUGE abscess :D

Ditto Special K too, that's how my psd lameness was.
 
hi, my mare has been exactly the same as your horse twice - once was an abcess and second time was her coffin joint..... might be worth a vet check to be honest.... goodluck x
 
special_k said:
Could I throw in that it could also be suspensory damage as that can show more on a circle... bring on the scans, box rest, long bring back into work and not to mention the shock waved therapy...... but probably best to do nothing and hope it goes away :cool:
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Do you know what?

With those symptoms the overwhelming likelihood, as her farrier has told her, is that it WILL simply go away.

And meanwhile, there is very little that could be damaged further by a few days in the field.

No wonder insurance premiums are so high!
 
cptrayes said:
Do you know what?

With those symptoms the overwhelming likelihood, as her farrier has told her, is that it WILL simply go away.

And meanwhile, there is very little that could be damaged further by a few days in the field.

No wonder insurance premiums are so high!
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Well let's hope so for the horse's sake! Unfortunately I ignored everyone that told me my horse would be fine and it would go away and thank god I did as I managed to catch the suspensory damage before it got to the point of no return. Luckily I have insurance that has meant my boy can get all the treatment he needs to make a full recovery so sorry if it pushes your premium up but that was not my intention!
 
special_k said:
Well let's hope so for the horse's sake! Unfortunately I ignored everyone that told me my horse would be fine and it would go away and thank god I did as I managed to catch the suspensory damage before it got to the point of no return. Luckily I have insurance that has meant my boy can get all the treatment he needs to make a full recovery so sorry if it pushes your premium up but that was not my intention!
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Your horse would be unlikely to have caused himself more damage in a couple of days in the field, and probably did not have a hot foot on one side, or did he? I had one which did minor damage to both suspensories once and she was never box rested at all. All this box rest is a modern thing which seems to me to be as much about vets not getting sued as about what is right for the horse. I understand that French vets do not box rest tendon injuries.

You haven't run up my insurance bill, I am uninsured.
 
ImmyS said:
Sadly I do not believe it is a troll, the OP has a youtube account, as given on her HH profile page, with multiple videos of her and her pony (lovely looking pony may I add) in the one video I flicked on the pony had some form of cream/ointment between the front legs where the OP has pointed out on previous threads that her pony has sarcoids. This leads me to believe that this is a genuine post and should be treated as such.
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Defo not a troll!!!! My pony is lame!
Only slightly though, and it is getting better so I don't see why I should call the vet out as it is already getting better.
 
cptrayes said:
I don't think she does. She has a mildly, very mildly, lame pony showing exactly the symptoms which can be expected of a very common hoof problem, a bruise. She has a fully qualified farrier who has told her that the horse very likely has a bruise which she thinks is safe to leave for a few days to see what happens.

Her only 'mistake' is to think that it is unusual for a horse to be sound on the straight and lame on a circle, for which she has been publicly crucified and called a troll.

If everyone called the vet in such circumstances then horse insurance would be totally unaffordable.

OP, your strategy is fine. If your pony deteriorates or fails to improve, get a vet, otherwise, keep calm and carry on.
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Thank you, very good to see that some people are still able to think rationally!
 
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