Lameness / performance issues help!

newfy

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Hello
I’m looking for a bit of advice as I’m a bit stuck following endless vet investigations and no real outcome!

My 14yr old mare is very stiff to ride and lacks suppleness. She will bend “outwards” rather in on a circle, and is particularly bad on corners in a school. It is manageable at a walk but trot and canter it feels like we are going at right angles. She is very reluctant to take a contact, and takes a lot of warming up and circling to get any form of contact, which usually then results in her head being low and BTV. Although when she does this it is much easier to then steer and achieve bend compared to when she is going round like a giraffe with a stiff neck. She also has recently been getting her tounge over the bit, and is generally very chompy with it. She so reluctant to walk into the school, but will stand at the mountain block, tacks up fine, and shows no other signs of discomfort such as no bucking/ ears back etc. she does yawn several times when riding which I have read can be a stress signal - she never does this on the ground.

I have had the vet out several times. She is not showing any signs of pain/ reaction to pressure along back, no swelling or heat. We have tried nerve blocking her hinds up to hocks with no real significant changes. Yesterday we nerve blocked front feet and fetlock, and X-rays. Only showed some sign of concussion likely from the hard ground, which would not explain this behaviour. We have been investigating this on and off for almost 6m now.

I have had several instructors out, most of them have tried to push through it, although my most recent instructor had agreed with me that the vet should have another check given the fussiness with the mouth.

When jumping she also has a habit of running out last minute. It is not consistent as some times she will jump a whole course, but may run out at 1/2.

She can be very forward and rushy. It takes a while of warming up to get a consistent rhythm

I’m at a bit of a loss with what to do next, given she shows no real signs of where the discomfort is coming from. The vet has a very good reputation in the area for lameness.

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Has the vet seen you ride her?

Might be worth x raying the back and neck and a sore si joint often affects the quality of the canter so might be worth mentioning that to the vet.
 

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How is her conformation / posture / muscle tone for carrying a rider / topline?

How does she move in hand / on the lunge.

Could it be her overall way of moving isnt very good and is causing discomfort?

When did she last see a good dentist? When was saddle last checked? When did she last have physio?

Have you tried bitless / lunging in a cavesson and is she the same?
 

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SI was mentioned previously by the vet as an option to investigate. When he came out yesterday he thought she looked lame in front and comfortable behind (every other time he had been out it was hind issues, so we xrayed hinds so she now has small wedge shoes on).

She had seen the dentist in January. Physio about 2 months ago with nothing significant to note. Saddle checked about 1 month ago. We had done a large amount of investigating last year into the saddle as her back was always sore, since moving her into a new saddle with a different saddler she has improved in terms of less rushing and never has back soreness now.

her top line/ muscles could do with more developing but they aren’t awful. She has always been in consistent work but as she has had the bad posture for so long now it obviously wouldn’t have helped to develop the right muscles!

She is the same lunging with a Headcollar compared to bridle. I was going to try riding bitless to see if that made a difference.

Vet had seen me ride her a few times, but not yesterday.
 

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I had a mare who was difficult to soften to the contact. Very fussy in the mouth and stuff over her back. She had some arthritic changes in the facet joints of her spine.
She was comfortable in general and had many fun years jumping, fun rides, team chasing but I would have never got a dressage test out of her. So it wasn’t all bad xx
 

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Have you actually had her neck checked? Seems you've had everything from the withers back looked at.
 

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Have you actually had her neck checked? Seems you've had everything from the withers back looked at.
No neck hasn’t been checked. It hasn’t been something that was brought up.

She will flex for carrot stretches/ stationary when on her back if I do some flexions either side when I get on, but seem to loose it as soon as we start moving.

If I lunge her with side reins / Pessoa etc she just seems to tense up.

As a matter of context, she is my first horse so all this is very new to me and I am mainly going off my long hours of research online and comments other people who have ridden her have given me.

it always seems to be that my brain goes in to panic overload when the vet is here, and I think of questions afterwards. As I am now getting frustrated with a lack of outcome I have posted on here to get some advice/ potential next steps that I can propose to the vet.

Her breeding is unrecorded, she came from Ireland but is suspected to be some sort of TB x. I had read about PSSM but didn’t think it was common in these sort of breeds (I could be wrong!)

Any input much appreciated !
 

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Her posture could be better but often posture gets bad because of discomfort so they compensate and the bad posture pattern starts.

I would still say look at neck and back x rays before anything else, there are some great posture websites now that you sign up to but I wouldn't want to start that without checking everything first.

Alot of horses also struggle as they are weak through the thoracic sling which will impact on her way of going, I only mention this ad she is quite flat behind the wither which can cause issues, I know because one of my horses is the same I do thoracic sling stretches and front leg exercises with him, they are on you tube if you wanted to have a look.
 

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She will bend “outwards” rather in on a circle
She is very reluctant to take a contact, and takes a lot of warming up and circling to get any form of contact,
like a giraffe with a stiff neck.

My mare would do all of this, especially the bending outwards on a circle. I've now read several studies/owners comments on horses with neck changes/deformities and several do this. Fussy in a contact, not consistent.

What did the vet x-ray? With the symptoms (and I'm not a vet) it screams neck pain to me. Hopefully you get some answers, but make sure you push for more x-rays even if the vet says 'nothing is wrong' clearly something isn't right. Trust your gut..
 

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My older TB started to do this a couple of years ago, He was competing at elem then he just wouldn't soften. Got his neck checked and yes there were arthritic changes I now manage his riding and fitness around this (i don't compete him anymore).
 

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Is the behaviour you describe only when you ride your mare in the school? What is she like if you do some schooling out on a hack - or in a field? Also, if you hack her first, do you get the same behaviour if you follow the hack with some time in the school? Final question, is it a full-sized school and is the surface/going good and not deep?
 
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