Lami recovery in Cushings horse

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Hi,

I’d be very grateful if anyone can give me some advice on laminitis recovery/Cushings

Here is the back ground.

29 year old pony who was diagnosed with cushings last April after I took advantage of the free cushings test with an ACTH reading of 93. Vet advised that as no history of laminitis to stay off medication but tweak his diet to low starch/sugar.

A month later he became pottery and was diagnosed with laminitis and put on 1 prascend a day. Recovery was very quick and after two weeks box rest vet happy for him to go out into a newly created sparse paddock.

We reduced his prascend down to half in July and he was able to live out 24/7 with his pals on restricted grazing.

November he became pottery again. We increased the prascend back up to 1 a day, box rest for 2 weeks week and then in a mud paddock for 3 weeks and he was then fine on the regime of being stabled through the night and out in the day on restricted grazing.

Fast forward 3 weeks ago and I saw the tell tale signs. Back in off what little grass he has and on box rest. Had bloods retested which came back at 63. Vet wasn’t concerned that they had only decreased from 93 when he was on no medication but advised to increase to 1.5 prascend a day and to keep on box rest for 2 weeks and shoe as normal at coming appointment . (Front shoes only as very flat feet)

Farrier came to see him and advised his feet still good, didn’t want to remove/change shoes at that time as too uncomfortable but is due out again next week to reshoe.

Both Vet and farrier thought very mild with no need for x rays/frog supports etc.

He is very stressy by nature and is not coping well being in.

Vet came out Monday this week after 2 weeks for check up and was really pleased with his improvement, he was more comfortable – Barging out of the stable and when walked out for the vet was jogging and full weight baring on concrete in front of stable. His bute was reduced from half a sachet twice a day to half once a day from Monday and planned to put in mud paddock on the weekend which I was over joyed at.

Today we are back to square one. Hes very uncomfortable, quiet, heat back in the foot, and I am now waiting for the vet to get back to me to discuss upping the bute again and if she wants to come out to see him.


His diet all winter has been;
Speedi Beet
Happy Hoof
High Fibre Cubes
Micronized linseed – This was slowly introduced over the winter to try to add some needed condition.

He has access to hay also when in the stable but leaves this for a trug of hay replacer made out of the above list.(Teeth regulary done and still has a full set)

All winter when out he is either in a mud paddock or starvation paddock with Hay/replacer where he can still see and touch my other 2.

He is the only laminitic I have treated and in the last 2 attacks recovery has always been very positive and easy to see.

The only two things that have happened since Monday is the half a sachet of bute – Do you think half a sachet would of made that much difference? Should I expect him to be up and down?
And someone tied an unfamiliar horse outside his stable – although this is minor, it is the only other thing I can think that would trigger any more stress.

He’s such a great age and a character I’m starting to question his quality of life as I’m sure he will get over this but as he has had laminitis twice since going on a very strict routine I am concerned with the cushings that it is inevitable he will come down with this again.

Apologies for the epic length, Any thoughts/advice/ Changes to his routine I would be most most grateful.


Thank you all in Advance x
 
Cushings is a really horrible disease and I'm sorry you and your old boy are going through this. My old mare has also got cushings and she has had complicated laminitis.

The main advice I was given, is if it's not working change it.

i.e. look at his food. You could consider changing it to either Lami-Light or Anit-Lam. I have to say I'm not a fan of Happy Hoof, it has more sugar in it than I would like for a laminitic.

Also, chat to your vet regarding the Prascend, he may need a higher dose as his laminitis is not under control, regardless of the ACTH levels.

I hope he improves, with such a caring mum I'm sure he will.x
 
It wont matter what you do diet/trim wise until you get his hormones under control as it is the cortisol steroid his body is pumping round due to his Cushings which is causing his Lami.

Normal at the moment is >29, so anything above is not under control and it is uasual practise for vets to run bloods every 4 weeks and up prascend accordingly until it is normal or very near.

My boy was diagnosed in November with an ACTH of 45 - no Lami thankfully (although he had Lami in 2009) and he has been having 4 weekly blood tests and increasing his prascend ever since. He is now on 4 per day and his latest bloods were 33. Vet wants to now leave him 2-3 months before retesting.

The ECIR Yahoo Group is fantastic - their diet is speedi beet, micronised linseed + mineral balanced vits and mins (I use Equimins Advanced Concentrate Meta Balance).

Once your vet gets his ACTH down to normal levels with Prascend you will notice his condition improve.

Box rest is tough, but it really is the best thing, although I know some manage with a small pen and pads.

I hope he gets better soon xxx
 
Thank you for replying - Hope your Mare is doing ok.

I did start on hi fi lite instead of the happy hoof but he completely turns his nose up to this! However another person at the yard today has echoed your thoughts that although happy hoof had the laminitis logo etc its not the best.

I've been reading good things about the lami light so will contact blue chip to see if they can give me any further info on quanties etc.

The poor receptionist at the vets , I have been badgering her all day for my call back!

THanks again x
 
Thanks Pasha.

Fantastic news for your boy.

I have joined the group and read the files but haven't yet filled out the case files for Barney so will get onto that.

He has been on the increased 1.5 tablets for a week now and from looking at the prascend doseage details on there site I thought it was a pretty big doseage for a light weight 13.2.

I'll query the retesting when she calls back as although i know its not a cure, I deperatly want to try to control the sympthoms for him.

If you dont mind me asking, is your horse fairly large to be on 4 tablets?
 
He is 16hh and weighs just under 500kg... this is my second horse to be diagnosed with Cushings :mad: Both purebred Arabs, however, my other boy who we lost last year at 25 (not Cushinsg related though) was diagnosed at 21 and his ACTH was never controlled with Pergolide alone - he had to have 4 Pergolide and 4 Metpirone per day and did spend the last 4 years happily sound and out in the field playing with his friends :)

My vet refers to Liphook so we go under Andy Durham's guidance and he said it is ok to go up to 1mg Pergolide per 100Kg of horse - so mine could go up to 5, although ive read sometimes it takes 5 or 6 to get it under control.

My boy is only 17 and I am doing my best to keep him Lami free at all costs!
 
Thank you again Pasha, I really appreciate the info. Great to know I have more scope to go with the prascend.

I have struggled keeping him contained on box rest at times so I dont envy that task with a big horse.

Barney is also an arab so maybe there is something in the breeding.


x
 
Yes unfortunately Arabs are of the same ilk as Native Breeds and live on thin air - they are definately more suseptible than other breeds!

If you cannot keep your boy in, talk to your farrier about packing out the foot with a pad or that putty stuff they use to give the foot support as obviously he wont have the bedding to use for that purpose.
 
Im another that wouldnt feed happy hoof very sugary Ive heard. Why not just a plain alfalfa chaff like alfa A molasses free?? or even swapping to fast fibre?

I have an oldie (22) who doesnt have cushings but I have started him on chaste berry (giving it to my moody mare as well), cinnamon, tumeric and his joint sup as well as hoof supp as Ive heard chasteberry and cinnamon are good for cushing as well.

At present he is fed on alfalfa pellets, linseed, beet and he gets spillers conditioning fibre as well and isnt footy or sore, hes a native x but isnt a good doer but I know that if he developes cushings then poor doer or not he is at risk. He is also BF and hoping that this will help the feet as well. I would change the conditioning fibre to a plain chaff if anything were to go amiss :)
 
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