Laminitis returns.

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Tezzy

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I post a while back about the little pony with laminitis. She was rocking on all four hooves.
I took her on because my ex didn't want her after he knew she had got laminitis.
I did every thing by the book & she came on great. She is in her own paddock beside my horses & was doing great. I had the farrier out two weeks ago & I noticed she was walking different. I kept her in for a few days as I thought he had made her sore, but now she is walking just like she was when she started with laminitis. I have put her back in the stable & calling the vet out tomorrow.
I am so worried about her. It is so soon & she was doing great. She as lost loads of weight & looks amazing. Her crest as gone down so much & her body looks good. Even the vet said how well she was coming on a few weeks back.
Is it normal for laminitis to come back like this? Or is it having her hooves done that as brought it on?
 
Sadly, it's probably the laminitis back again. We're heading into the autumn flush of grass now and on top of that, certainly round our way, we've had torrential rain while it's still very warm. If you've had a significant dry period, your grass will have shot up. Ponio needs the vet again I'm afraid. Did the farrier just rasp her hooves? I'm guessing she's not shod? If it is laminitis again, it'll be back to the stabled 24/7 on deep soft bedding. Rotten luck as it sounded as if you were doing really well. Have you visited the Laminitis Trust web site or rung them for info? She really does need to be grazing for just a few hours a day (if that)on the most crappy, stalky, tasteless, rubbish pasture. Friend of mine has had good results electric fencing off a circle round her outdoor school. Her ponies have to walk and work for every miserly mouthful and coz it's a ring round the outside of the school the ground is tatty and the grass almost non-existent. Better to have an ex-laminitic on a surface and tie a low cal haynet up. I remember the story about your pony - you were a star to take her on and I just hope she comes sound again for you. Once a laminitic, always a laminitic xxx
 
Oh I'm so sorry, you were doing a good job. Definately keep her in for at least 30 days after she's sound. tbh I would try and keep her on a bare paddock and feed hay all the time, or just on the yard. But concentrate on getting her sound again for now. Things will get better, its a long proccess, but there is light at the end of the tunnel.

((((hugs))))
 
My mare is a laminitic and immediately after an attack they are very vulnerable to the slightest trigger. Your farrier could have altered the foot balance which could trigger an attack and as others have said it is a bad time for the grass shooting away on top of that.

Personally I don't do box rest unless they are on bute and depending how sore they are, if it's only mild I prefer free choice movement on a soft surface with no grazing, just soaked hay a good supplement and mag ox added to the diet. Obviously if your pony is very sore she will be better in and on pain relief though.

Chances are that if you've caught it quickly she will make a good recovery.
 
Thank you all for replying. It as been raining quite a lot here & very warm with it. I have put her on box rest. Yesterday out of the blue, she had a job walking. It is not as bad thank God as last time, but bad enough.
I have been phoning the help line non stop on the laminitis trust help line, but keep getting a recording saying they are so busy :(
I have to go to her now & will keep trying when I get back in. I can't use my mobile as it cost a £1 a min. But that goes to help them in their research. Thank God there is someone trying to help horses with this nasty thing.
She as been in a paddock with hardly any grass. I can't believe that she is in pain again. I have started the bute today & bought lots more shavings for a real thick bed.
Fingers & toes crossed she will be back to normal after a very long rest in her stable. I will do the very same again & leave her in & then give her the 30 days rest before letting her out again. It is just heart breaking to see her shut up & not her happy self any more.
I hate to see any animal suffer. I wish they could talk & let us know what they are feeling.
 
Oh hun. I remember your post way back. Hugs.

Lami comes back scarily easily and quickly :(

The thinking is, don't have on a bare paddock as the grass stresses and the sugars are right there and eaten. If you can, put on track grazing, so as pony has to keep moving and the grazing is limited, but not practically non-existant.

Lami can also be caused by stress, so keep things on an even keel if you can.

I don't know if she's been fed, but no carrots, polos, nothing with sugar in. We found out that one the hard way :(

Box rest. Yes, definately a very deep bed all over the stable floor. Hay: soak day hay overnight and night hay during the day. Ad lib the hay, so long as is soaked. Use something like Happy Hoof to get the Bute into her. I'd also feed Milk Thistle to help protect her liver whilst she is on the Bute and for a few days after. When LL was on three months box rest we did all of this - he was kept happy by being able to see what was going on (nosey pony lol) and he could eat the soaked hay, thereby keeping his gut happy and his mind occupied :). We mucked out round him. He only came out once and that was when the vet came.

If the lass is really bad, look on the Lami Trust website. It shows you how to make pads to put on her feet. You'll need bandages, something tough like a piece of leather, and something like duct tape.

As others have said, this is the season for laminitis as the September grass starts to come through, especially with all the rain we've had recently.
 
You've done exactly the right thing in assuming it's laminitis. Can't be too carefull imo. Yes as MrsMozart says you have to be really strict with yourself (and everyone else) with treats etc. and at this time of year any grass can be enough to trigger an attack and the trim possibly tipped the balance.
Are you soaking her hay too? I'm a bit of a stuck record on this I know but imo it's so important.
 
MrsMozart said:
Oh hun. I remember your post way back. Hugs.

Lami comes back scarily easily and quickly :(

The thinking is, don't have on a bare paddock as the grass stresses and the sugars are right there and eaten. If you can, put on track grazing, so as pony has to keep moving and the grazing is limited, but not practically non-existant.

Lami can also be caused by stress, so keep things on an even keel if you can.

I don't know if she's been fed, but no carrots, polos, nothing with sugar in. We found out that one the hard way :(

Box rest. Yes, definately a very deep bed all over the stable floor. Hay: soak day hay overnight and night hay during the day. Ad lib the hay, so long as is soaked. Use something like Happy Hoof to get the Bute into her. I'd also feed Milk Thistle to help protect her liver whilst she is on the Bute and for a few days after. When LL was on three months box rest we did all of this - he was kept happy by being able to see what was going on (nosey pony lol) and he could eat the soaked hay, thereby keeping his gut happy and his mind occupied :). We mucked out round him. He only came out once and that was when the vet came.

If the lass is really bad, look on the Lami Trust website. It shows you how to make pads to put on her feet. You'll need bandages, something tough like a piece of leather, and something like duct tape.

As others have said, this is the season for laminitis as the September grass starts to come through, especially with all the rain we've had recently.
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Thank you so much. I have not fed her anything apart from soaked hay. I have never had a problem with any of my horses & I used to feed them carrots & the odd apple. But now with this pony, I have stopped everything even with my horses. It as scared me seeing a little pony in so much pain from the first time she had laminitis. I have the book "Paddock paradise" & I will start to set it up for her. I know it will make a big difference for her. I have 2 horses that go up to her in a lot of the time, so she always has an horse around her & I had a gate door put onto her stable so she can see out into the fields all the time. The same as your horse, she is very nosey lol. I also soak her hay & as I take the soaked hay out to hang up & dry, I fill the bucket again to soak more hay. I saw on the Lami trust site about padding the feet up. I am going to ask a friend to help me with this. I have filled her stable right up again with shaving. I bought 4 more big bags today. There was a lot alright in her stable. I have used Hi-Fi lite as the vet said that would be the best to use. I was trying the help line nearly all day & couldn't get anyone to talk to. I will try again tomorrow & see how that goes. With this happening to her, she will not be out again in September, it will be a good while now before she is back out.

amanda, I agree, I think the trim pushed her to far. I know the first time she came down with lami she had a very stessful trim & I changed the farrier as he was so bad with her. I said I thought she only need them raspping, but he cut them as well. The next day she was a little off. Poor little thing, she really does go through the wars when she as anything done.
Thank you both again. x
 
It does sound trim induced...such a shame that it has come back. But you can manage it well and know what to expect and how to manage the situation from past experience...hopefully this will ease your and your horses stress.
My lad was diagnosed around this time last year and the vet was sure it was farriery induced...not enough attention to detail and letting them get too long...it will be a hard thing to ever know and I suspect that it was that, coupled with the flush of grass and being out 24/7 too...so my bad management of a good doer.
It was interesting that when he was shod by the vet practice farrier after xrays and diagnosis, he improved on his feet no end...then my farrier did the next 2 sessions and he had some flare ups that no one could understand...he was fine for a few weeks and then he would be 'off' again. I took him for another trim and shoe to the vet practive and they took his heart bars off and replaced with normal shoes as they did not think they were helping anymore (much to my farriers annoyance) and he walked out and up the trailer ramp almost foot perfect and never looked back.
I am still with my farrier as he is a remiedial farrier so qualified well...but I am more aware now of what his hoof should look like when trimmed and the size and shape...so I know to question things if he ever gets lax a daisy again.
 
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