Laminitis

BlackVelvet said:
You can manage lami without wasting money on expensive feed suppliments!!
Proper management will help massively. By that i mean proper exercise and a proper feeding routine! Limit all sugars and feed a good soaked hay. I don't limit my boys hay at all and hes still loosing the weight
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Actually Founderguard is not a supplement it is a prescription drug.

Personally I would trust a well known product like Founderguard, over a member of public on here.

Minimizing sugars etc will not mean Laminitis wont happen. There are many times of causes. I used |Founderguard for 7 months. And met many other owners in the last few moneys at laminitis clinics, 55% of those actually still use Founderguard, the rest were new to it and waiting for the license from the vet to arrive or they are at your stage learning about it.

Taisy you do as you see fit. Ask your vet if any other owners in their practice use or have used it, gets some feed back from the horses mouth.

You can't believe everything you read on here. Do some research, you have till march to decided so seek and you shall find ;)

Because my hay is such good quality, its to much for my mare to have a section of hay lunchtime so we have opted for Fast Fibre instead.


My mare loves this and its better for her as the hay intake is replaced so less chance of a flare up.
 
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Is there any way you could make her a corral within the field so she could be with the others but restricted?:)

I do this with my pony an electric corral so she stays out from 7am- 4pm:)
 
Leviathan said:
Is there any way you could make her a corral within the field so she could be with the others but restricted?:)

I do this with my pony an electric corral so she stays out from 7am- 4pm:)
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unfortunatley the other horses are in a field a ten min walk up a stony track which her feet just wouldnt cope with :( She is surrently only getting out into her wee pen for 45 mins in the am and 45 mins in the pm x
 
I'd get full bloods run again, check for cushings, metabolic syndrome, intolerance and all organ function- its is costly but something really isn't right :/ she isn't the type to be getting lami now, looking at her weight. Does she have turnout? Do you muzzle her? I'd rule absolutely everything out to be on the safe side, and then if it comes back clear contact a professional nutritionist and see what they can do to help her.
Best of luck xx
 
Taisypops said:
unfortunatley the other horses are in a field a ten min walk up a stony track which her feet just wouldnt cope with :( She is surrently only getting out into her wee pen for 45 mins in the am and 45 mins in the pm x
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could you get some second hand pair of old mac boots to wear when she goes out so she wont feel the stones on the track??:)
could she not go into one of the schools for longer turn out but no grass?? for one of the turn out times she does??
we have 4 here that wear muzzles so they get longer turnout but can munch less when they do:)
 
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Zargon_91 said:
I'd get full bloods run again, check for cushings, metabolic syndrome, intolerance and all organ function- its is costly but something really isn't right :/ she isn't the type to be getting lami now, looking at her weight. Does she have turnout? Do you muzzle her? I'd rule absolutely everything out to be on the safe side, and then if it comes back clear contact a professional nutritionist and see what they can do to help her.
Best of luck xx
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Thanks,she is turned out for 45 mins in the am and 45 mins in the pm, she gets grazing muzzles off or she would most def be wearing one!! Ill speak to my vet about doing fasting bloods again! I just seem to get more and more confused about this whole thing :confused: The farrier says its because she has scaring on her lami from the attack last year.....that makes her very sensitive?!?! x
 
Leviathan said:
could you get some second hand pair of old mac boots to wear when she goes out so she wont feel the stones on the track??:)
could she not go into one of the schools for longer turn out but no grass?? for one of the turn out times she does??
we have 4 here that wear muzzles so they get longer turnout but can munch less when they do:)
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If getting grazing muzzles off was an olympic sport Taisy would win the gold....lol...I did consider the old mac idea :) would she be able to wear a pair over her shoes? We have an indoor school and the farmer uses it to stare big hay bales in.......results in all you can buffet for lami pony.......I have asked him about building me a wee pen like a mini school somewhere
and he says he will try to get one for next year. x
 
Hi Taisy, heart bars are to provide support for the rear half of the foot. There is much debate over the effectiveness of this type of shoe. In essence the shoe is attempting to replicate the function of the sole, frog and digital cushion.
A healthy frog and sole and strong digital cushion is the horses best defence against the effects of laminitis. In a shod horse, the sole is often filed making it thinner. In most domestic horses the sole is too thin in any event, making it thinner deliberately exacerbates the problem. In disections of both shod and unshod hooves I rarely see soles of the correct thickness. Frogs similarly are often trimmed which is a mistake. You often see a deep central sulcus which is a site for thrush, another cause of footiness. With regard to the digital cushion in a healthy hoof this should be very fiberous and strong. This provides support for the pedal and navicular bones and supports the joint. The development of the digital cushion is impaired by shoes in any event, more so with remedial shoes. The improvement provided by remedial shoes is always short term and inevitably leads to a catastrophic breakdown further down the line.
Therefore I believe that the horses best option, particularly if it is IR, is a fully barefoot regime, and all that entails.
On the specific question of Founderguard, I am of the opinion that the long term administration of antibiotics is not something to be done lightly as resistance to the drug happens quite quickly. Interference with the bacterial balance in the gut is also difficult to justify as in a healthy animal this should be unnecessary. Also the debates which are on going about antibacterial growth promoters has convinced me it is a mistake, and the current use of growth promoting drugs in agriculture is only compensating for keeping animals in a poor and unnatural environment.
 
What about electric tape in the meantime. I have made a 20 meter circle and my pony goes in there. The main reason is she rubs muzzles off on the trees fence post etc. This way she has nothing to rub it off with so serves two purposes.

Does she rub muzzles of like mine does how she does?? If so it could be the answer. At the moment I leave muzzle on alternate days and off the other days.

Gut balance is important, as I said before your horse your decision. Most questions of how F works is in the website Q&A. So I do not have to say any more.

I have been accused mocked etc I just think
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Everyone learns how to deal with their individual case and treat it how they see fit. ATEOTD all you can do is read what others say and choose which way to go. Don't be pressured by the strong minded people in here.

You have to laugh at some on here pm's are funny what I get sent from others. They all use the
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If you have a good farrier working with your vet who is good too. Then I would be happy if I were you with what they decided in the way of trimming and shoeing your horse. The BG will say this is the way to go as its best but it is not always specially when the foot is in acute stage.

Hope you get this sorted to your satisfaction.
 
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Not sure if this will help you and I know its not the usual way to keep a laminitic but my mare has sufferered for more than 10 years and at times I have been very close to PTS but just with trial and error I have discovered that she does best being out 24/7 on a paddock with grass but not a rich pasture unshod but trimmed every 5/6 weeks. She does suffer with stress laminitis which can be brought on if kept in, she hates being stabled so this routine suits her and I realise it is not for every laminitic horse. She is fed hay in the winter but no hard feed at all and definately NO HAYLAGE. Good luck with your horse I hope you can find a routine to keep it contained in the future.
 
I will say again speak to your vet re bloods and how close to the high end of the spectrum she is with thd insulin. Also have you tried imprint shoes? It may be that she can't overly cope in the metal shoes because her hoof can't move. In imprints the shoe flexis with the hoof as they walk but still gives support.

Pm me if you need to talk about anything.

Xxx
 
Once again folks thanks for all the advice, I will speak to vet about bloods and farrier about shoes. Never heard of imprint shoeing.....will ask him on thursday. She is postitvly crippled if she pulls a shoe so im not willing to try the barefoot thing with her. Thing is regarding the long term use of antibiotics....maybe its not the best for a healthy horse...but is a lami horse a healthy horse?? I reckon that Taisy will prob never be an old pony ( I hope Im wrong) so I just want to make her as happy and comfortable as I possibly can and have as much with her as I can whil I still have her. Id rather have two or three fun filled busy years with her than ten sore/miserable years and if I have to bute her/give her antibiotics then so be it!!! Under the supervision of a vet of course.

Electric fencing dosent stop her from getting her muzzle off, she rolls and works it over her ears, the stands up and a combination of shaking her head and rubbing it in her legs results in muzzle hitting the ground!!! lol. have even tried looping the muzzle round the ear holes in her fly rug, then putting a field safe headcollar on over the top pretty tight and tieing the head collar to the muzzle, the headcollar and muzzle were founf still tied together and fully done up in the field and the ear holes in her rug are now an ear hole!!! Shes too clever for her own good......lol x
 
Taisypops

Once again folks thanks for all the advice, I will speak to vet about bloods and farrier about shoes. Never heard of imprint shoeing.....will ask him on thursday. She is postitvly crippled if she pulls a shoe so im not willing to try the barefoot thing with her. Thing is regarding the long term use of antibiotics....maybe its not the best for a healthy horse...but is a lami horse a healthy horse?? I reckon that Taisy will prob never be an old pony ( I hope Im wrong) so I just want to make her as happy and comfortable as I possibly can and have as much with her as I can whil I still have her. Id rather have two or three fun filled busy years with her than ten sore/miserable years and if I have to bute her/give her antibiotics then so be it!!! Under the supervision of a vet of course.

I completely understand where you are coming from with this.

The only thing I'd disagree with is the apparent misconception that barefoot means 10 years of soreness.

Done correctly, any horse can have a long and happy life barefoot, even those prone to laminitis.

Best of luck though.
 
Pale Rider said:
Taisypops

Once again folks thanks for all the advice, I will speak to vet about bloods and farrier about shoes. Never heard of imprint shoeing.....will ask him on thursday. She is postitvly crippled if she pulls a shoe so im not willing to try the barefoot thing with her. Thing is regarding the long term use of antibiotics....maybe its not the best for a healthy horse...but is a lami horse a healthy horse?? I reckon that Taisy will prob never be an old pony ( I hope Im wrong) so I just want to make her as happy and comfortable as I possibly can and have as much with her as I can whil I still have her. Id rather have two or three fun filled busy years with her than ten sore/miserable years and if I have to bute her/give her antibiotics then so be it!!! Under the supervision of a vet of course.

I completely understand where you are coming from with this.

The only thing I'd disagree with is the apparent misconception that barefoot means 10 years of soreness.

Done correctly, any horse can have a long and happy life barefoot, even those prone to laminitis.

Best of luck though.
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agree with this also with barefoot you get the early warning signs which are completely masked with shoes on.....
 
just a quick idea because i dont want to get into arguements... have you thought about plaiting a muzzle in? plait a running french plait from behind the ears, around the muzzle and down the forelock- like a backwards arab plait :) might be worth a shot... worked with a very naughty welsh a. Also be very careful about barefoot trimmers treating- only because certain insurance companies waiver any cover if not treated by farrier/vet combination. Im not saying anything for/against barefoot- not worth the hassle! but its something to have in mind if you need expensive treatment to be covered by insurance
 
Regaring the barefoot thing, I am actually a big fan of barefoot horses an Taisy is the first sho horse Ive had in years, she was sho when I bought her an I ha took her backshoes off with the intention of the fronts coming off too then she came down with lami and the vets/farriers advice was heartbars in front and reshod behind to help with the rebalancing of her feet, she went from being reluctant to leave her big bed in the stable to tottering reasonably happy up and own the yard. My friend has a retired lami horse and she would never dream of shoeing her. Thing is she has had sore feet for so long and at least at the min we can hack/lightly school and im very scare to change anything that will make her break more!!!! Maybe long term she would be better off barefoot but i think the transistion would be too much for her and me right now.

How would I do the plait thing? Will try anything if it works :) x
 
The muzzle will work, but you do need something to keep it on, the only way i keep my mares on is with a Snuggy Sweet Itch Hood over the top, yes she gets hot with it on but she cannot get her muzzle off.

I had tried every possible trick in the book to keep it on and this is the only thing in yrs that has worked, the hoods are expensive but well worth it for more turnout time, my mare is now out muzzled 12 hrs and in 12hrs on soaked hay.
 
Boysy said:
The muzzle will work, but you do need something to keep it on, the only way i keep my mares on is with a Snuggy Sweet Itch Hood over the top, yes she gets hot with it on but she cannot get her muzzle off.

I had tried every possible trick in the book to keep it on and this is the only thing in yrs that has worked, the hoods are expensive but well worth it for more turnout time, my mare is now out muzzled 12 hrs and in 12hrs on soaked hay.
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Oooooooooo......I never thought of this!! Thanks :) Ive got one of these somewhere but id stopped using it as it rubs her mane off but id rather she had no mane than lami.....:)

Farrier put heartbars back on her he seemed to think they are the best thing for stabalising her pedal bone and as she was pretty sore on hoof testers he decided this was best.
 
How was she with the nails going in? The reason my vet wanted the imprints first is because it gives the hoof a break from nailing when they are already sore.
 
She seemed ok, she did have a bute in her brekkie though! Last year when she was crippled she didnt have shoes for a month.......x
 
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