Larger Welsh cobs - which bloodlines?

Monkerhostin said:
Do they have a website? I cant find any details on them.
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I can't find a website either but I know that it's run by a couple called Jill and John Knowlson. Sorry, I misspelt as well, it's Kylebeck, not Kylesbeck. They are based near York. I will PM you a number I have, although I don't know if it's current.
 
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Maesmynach are your best bet for big D's. Thorneyside also.

I've owned a lot of D's over the years & have found the Nebo & Derwen's to be more true to type - around 14.2hh & leg in each corner types.

I owned a Sec C previously (sec A x D) he was only expected to make 13.2hh. He's matured to a very chunky14.2hh so technically a D now. He was by Gower Prince, who's breeding is primarily Fronarth on the stallion's side, so if his youngstock are anything to go by, I'd say Fronarth cobs would definitely be horses to consider :D
 
xloopylozzax said:
the only problem, is that they lose the pony characteristics as they get bigger, so if you want to show you will be somewhat disadvantaged with some judges if they judge on type aswell as performance.
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I agree, I got a 15.2hh Welsh Cob - I wanted a larger one simply because I'd look stupid height-wise on a 14.2hh. I did show him (M&M WHP & M&M Ridden, also did the odd pure Welsh D ridden class) and he was pretty successful. He'd either do very well or be placed like last because the judge clearly disagreed with his size. I had the odd comment along these lines from certain judges. He did well at the Royal Highland though when I competed him there, but we had no chance of being at the top of the line-ups (mine was the only Welsh D over about 15hh in the top 10 line up). You're more likely to do well with a smaller D, but size-wise this isn't always practical. I'd definately buy another large Welsh D without a doubt. At the end of the day, the large ones still have pure bred breeding so shouldn't be frowned upon purely due to their size.
 
pastie2 said:
I cant recommend Thorneyside Stud enough, Peter Grays horses are true to type and full of quality. They are substancial and make wonderful driving horses, show horses and riding horses. Google the stud and make your own mind up.
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Thank you , and sorry for the partial hijack OP :o

(Not a James Grey relative one hopes?! :eek: I assume its just a coincidence on the surname!)
 
I've got a 15.1ish Kylebeck and am 6' too, he certainly takes up all of my leg and is very, very, typey. Interesting that the other poster has a 16 hander from there as when I bought mine they thought he was too big and were aiming to breed 14-14.2s!!
 
Naturally said:
Thank you , and sorry for the partial hijack OP :o

(Not a James Grey relative one hopes?! :eek: I assume its just a coincidence on the surname!)
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Well you could have/might have googled the stud. Yes clearly he is related, but he makes a disclaimer on his website. Lets face it, you choose your friends but can do nothing about your relations.
 
pastie2 said:
I cant recommend Thorneyside Stud enough, Peter Grays horses are true to type and full of quality. They are substancial and make wonderful driving horses, show horses and riding horses. Google the stud and make your own mind up.
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I agree totally, If ever I was looking for a welsh cob I would have no hesitation in buying a Thorneyside. My own cob is Thorneyside and Janton breeding and is a cracking true to type cob and a genuine allrounder.
 
hackinharry said:
I agree totally, If ever I was looking for a welsh cob I would have no hesitation in buying a Thorneyside. My own cob is Thorneyside and Janton breeding and is a cracking true to type cob and a genuine allrounder.
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Thank you hackinharry, I have used several Thorneyside stallions on my mares, I have also had a sec C Tside stallion. To me they are true to type atheletic cobs with a lot of flare. Their movement is atheletic and natural. They are Welsh Cobs bred to do a job of work. Having said that they are not for the feint hearted!
 
Sorry, haven't read all replies so this has probably already been said (!) but Maesmynach breed big Section Ds, which are great performance horses. I have heard that for showing the bigger ones may be less popular with some judges because of their size. If you are also considering a part-bred, Maesmynach and Langarth (among others) breed fantastic TB crosses, which also go on to be great competition horses. Good luck!
 
I have a yearling cob who is by Nebo owen and out of a mare of Ystradewi breeding, she was a big mare, 15.2hh and great amount of bone. The yearling is standing at 14.2hh at the moment, so Nebo and Yrstradewi are larger breeds. Alot of the Maesmynach cobs are 15.2+ too and they still do well in the showring as they dont seem to loose too much of the pony.
Thornyside have alot of bone and subtance but I find them too quirky for ridden (for me personally) But they are usually a good height also, but some can seem more horsey than pony. I had a mare of Thornyside breeding on the Dams side (where they are meant to get their height from) but she wasnt a big mare only 14.2 but a little 14.2, I found she was too quirky for me.


Welsh are the best I love my welshies!
 
My 16hh welsh cob is a Nebo. http://www.nebostud.com/ He is extremely handsome, and loving. Not very traditional cob to look at, looks like a Welsh D with a splash of TB, no feathers and doesn't suit a full mane/tail. Very talented/intelligent but throws strops! Boundless energy, never a dull moment! Why not try TB Welsh D x, they can be really big, very talented competition horses but with a more predictable temprement. Welsh Ds can be a real handful.
 
My welsh 3 year old is by llanarth out of fronarth and his brother and sister were 15.2hh but we are struggling to get 15hh as i bought him wanting him to get to 15.1hhish but he was lightly backed in sumer and i didn't look bad on him and we have a lot of chunking out to do as its surprising how much they do take your legs up
 
we had a 16.2 welsh stallion (will find picture) who was incredibly old fashioned and added bone to his stock, but would never have gone in the modern day showring (hendy brenin both sides) was a cracking mans horse though.
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I thought I was looking at a pic of my boy there!
 
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