Lari update - pictures

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So we are into week 4 of the rehab plan for Lari and I thought I'd share these photos.

I've been long reining him around the building doing seven laps a night (approx 20 mins) before the dark nights kicked in and I had to stop. This was wearing a roller with a pessoa, also long reining in the school over scattered poles to improve proprioception.

I've also been doing a lot of leading over raised walk poles and since Saturday been using the theraband system (pictured) in walk with just the band under the tummy before introducing the rear band which i plan to do tonight. Everything has to be introduced in increments. Prior to this I was lunging over trot poles in the pessoa but the vet said he didn't tell me to do this, although he had told me. He'd also told me to walk over raised poles but on his second visit denied that he'd said that too! And when I said I'd been using a pessoa he said it was a good idea although he'd told me on the first visit to use one! So unless there was an error of communication (which there wasn't) I'm not sure what was going on, but he said he had improved a lot from his first visit to his second visit 9 days later so it obviously hadn't done him any harm.

I've put Lari on Equitops Myoplast to increase muscle and help with topline and I've been carrying out carrot stretches every day including a lot of belly lifts and walking backwards between poles with his head low to improve core. I've also been doing a tail pull whilst standing to try and improve muscle function around SI. Not sure of correct termonology - physio showed me how to do it, they lock the muscle and you hold for a few seconds before releasing the tail.

I started him with a saddle last night using the theraband saddle cloth underneath, just leading him around the menage over walk poles.
I'm quite enjoying messing with him although I have periods where I feel very depressed and wish I were riding him instead, but I will have to wait and see what the spring brings, for a start off I need to get a saddle to fit, which is going to be a task in itself with his conformation.

Shoes are still on and I've kindly received the petal overreach boots from Northern Hare which I plan to start using. Thank you once again for your total kindness with this.

First photo was 23rd October, 2nd photo 3 days ago.
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Sorry to hear you’ve had to do so much rehab work with your new boy, but well done for giving him the time and care he needs. Really hope it pays off for you.

Some horses do seem to unravel a bit in new homes! When I got Finn at 5yo, he’d been ridden by a strong dressage rider and looked the part but it didn’t last in my amateur hands and we had to build his schooling over time. We got there eventually! Even with Bertie, who was in work, established and experienced, I’ve done a mini ’retraining’ programme to build his balance and strength for a slightly different job (more RC than jumper). It’s been 6 months with poles, ground work, lunging, physio inc that tail pull one you’re doing.

It takes time and effort but it has def improved things. Hoping yours does too! He looks like a really nice type.
 

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I hate using the Pessoa, keep thinking if he's silly he will get his leg stuck and then we will be in trouble. I've long reined him down the field before the weather took a turn for the worse and he was very well behaved, the physio said we should be doing work on different surfaces. She's a brilliant physio as well as being a personal friend, she's amazing.
 

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Definitely a marked improvement, if you look at the belly line, it’s higher and tighter. He’s building his core.
Just to add, love the tail pull move, my boy likes it too.
Thank you. Do you find this exercise hard to do though? I seem to have to give his tail a right angled strongish pull in order to engage the muscle group I need and I think most times its not very successful. As he is so food orientated I have to tie him up along the short side of my stable as I can't get round his back end as he keeps stepping back expecting a treat! And its too dangerous to be pulling and pushing him this way and that on the concrete. I moved him over to let someone past the other day and he nearly fell over, one foot on top of the other!

Last night in the school I had to laugh, it was a shame. We were doing a belly lift by me putting the treat between his front legs up by his chest so he could arch his back, with my hand reaching around the back of his front leg to position it. I didn't realise but he had dropped the treat (I use those spillers treats for grabbing stretches underneath so I still have my fingers.) So when my hand came back up he was still with his head upside down under his chest, bobbing it up and down. I was like "Lari what the heck?" And then I realised he had dropped it on the floor and was waiting for a second chance!
 

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I think you've definitely made progress, good work.....but there's a small but.

The photo of him trotting in the Pessoa, and the (presumably a PR shot) photo of the band system show horses diving down in front. Without engaging the thoracic sling (and there is NO mechanism for a Pessoa to do this) progress will be limited and may cause more wear and tear on the front end. Once you have that you'll also start seeing the base of the neck in front of the wither fill out.
 

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I think you've definitely made progress, good work.....but there's a small but.

The photo of him trotting in the Pessoa, and the (presumably a PR shot) photo of the band system show horses diving down in front. Without engaging the thoracic sling (and there is NO mechanism for a Pessoa to do this) progress will be limited and may cause more wear and tear on the front end. Once you have that you'll also start seeing the base of the neck in front of the wither fill out.
Aw thanks sbloom, I know this isn't what you were saying but I was wondering if the Pessoa was a little long, but as I've never used one before I wasn't sure and its on its shortest setting. I actually put a knot in the rope up to the top of the roller since these photos were taken as I felt the sheepskin was too low.

Can I ask how does one engage the thoracic sling? Will the theraband system do this for me with the hindquarters engaged with the band? I really want to minimise any issues in relation to wear and tear by lunging when I can start trotting him again which should be in a couple of weeks. I have a long lunge rein that I bought specifically because it was longer than normal but the issue with that is the longer it is and the bigger the circle the less control I have over making him go forwards.

yes, its a PR shot off the therapyband website.

I also have the issue that the therapyband works better with a saddle. Given as none of mine fit and my friends I borrowed, whilst fitted intially by a fitter was okay, it started to hurt him which was shown by his increased behaviour when ridden. I am worried about putting this on him again, so I used my old Jefferies Event saddle last night but its not made for high withers so worry when he's doing this tummy lifts it will dig in.

If I used my friends saddle again would it be okay to use just for ground work do you think?
 

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He does look much improved :). I would advise against continuing with the Pessoa, though, but you don't sound very convinced about it anyway. The tail pulls will help.

Carrying on in hand for now seems wise even without the saddle fit issue. Does the previous owner have a saddle that fits him? Though judging by how he was when he arrived with you, maybe his old saddle never did fit...

You should be able to use your therapy band thingey without a saddle. I use my Equicore with or without a saddle. If using it without a saddle, I secure it in place with a padded surcingle and a dressage girth.
 

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Can you keep long reining him in the dark too? He certainly looks improved.
Thanks Ester. With Bails I could have gone anywhere in the dark like round the yard buildings but with Lari he is quite different and I don't totally trust him not to do one! I don't feel that confident with him yet, I have always felt more confident on board than from the ground.

We have a 65 x 45m outdoor school which is floodlit so in reality I could long rein him in there (and have done so before now) but I feel like I get in peoples way when they want to ride. Plus I have extensor tendonitis so don't fare very well when I walk on a surface for long, I have started feeling it quite a bit lately.
 

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He does look much improved :). I would advise against continuing with the Pessoa, though, but you don't sound very convinced about it anyway. The tail pulls will help.

Carrying on in hand for now seems wise even without the saddle fit issue. Does the previous owner have a saddle that fits him? Though judging by how he was when he arrived with you, maybe his old saddle never did fit...

You should be able to use your therapy band thingey without a saddle. I use my Equicore with or without a saddle. If using it without a saddle, I secure it in place with a padded surcingle and a dressage girth.
No, she didn't have a saddle, there was a chap - a pro rider who came and exercised him and was present to ride at viewings and he had a jumping saddle which he padded with lots of padding and a five point breast strap. A one saddle fits all horses if you stuff enough underneath it, type of situation (which I am not prepared to do). At the time I felt like I would easily find a saddle to fit but I think I was incredibly naive, in fact I think looking back I was more than a tad naive about the whole thing, but heck, not much point dwelling on things now I suppose.

I used my therapy band thing with just a roller but the lady who sold it in her literature suggests it works better with a saddle. I need to get one of those padding strips for under a roller or a thicker saddlecloth as the roller can dig in a bit. Because his withers are so far back the girth is too, its a bit of a nightmare.

I didn't have a roller/pessoa or anything really for Bailey so I needed to buy all this stuff for the new horse. The money I put by in order to buy new things and to have lessons with my new horse is swiftly going on vets bills and Myoplast! ;)
 
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He's a lovely horse.

I continuously try to do things to strengthen my boy's core muscles as his back is long and a bit weak. We hack up hills a lot too.

Very interested in seeing what training aids you are using and what exercises work for you with Lari.
 

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Myoplast is spirulina and sugar, so save yourself an absolute fortune and get some spirulina and tri aminos from progressive earth. It will be cheaper and a better spec.

If it makes you feel any better I do what yout doing with any new horse, although I do ride them as well, but mainly straight line hacking. It makes such a difference to how strong and straight they are. I've got raised poles at random distances and angles, and a set of 3 railway sleepers set out in a line. You can see them engage their abs as they step over
 

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I have a horse who has just thrown a lump under the girth area, and have rigged up a theraband system using a racing type breastplate (non elasticated, straight round front of chest) with the straps attached to the girth loops on the numnah, and the top velcro numnah straps to the strap over the neck if that makes sense....so don't need a roller/girth.

I would also second the tri amino ( plus isolate whey protein) as a far better and cheaper amino acid/protein source than myoplast.....pus vit E to help the muscles utilise it.
 

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If you take it down to bare tacks, how can anything that tries to affect the back end truly help the horse lift in front? I know these work well for some, and are clearly a useful part of a rehab process for many, but the fundamental understanding of biomechanics means we need the stance phase to improve. So the moments where the legs brake the horse, literally apply the brakes, stopping the horse from falling forwards...pulling the hind leg under the horse via a strap or rope doesn't seem to me to do that in any way. It's been proven that in good collection eg a correct piaffe the hind leg does not step further under the body, instead the stance phase is lengthened.

Anyway, enough rambling, I'm getting to grips slowly with these concepts but my instinct has always been against these gadgets.

Here's something else, something simple. Go and try it with your horses, consider our budy language, lead from either side to facilitate even handedness leading to straightness, and walk backwards if that helps to keep the horse slow.


Horses generally need more control over their bodies, so we slow them down. This gives better proprioception, makes new neural pathways as it's nothing like how they normally "walk", and slows down the stance phase of each step, then the horse can push up more. This comes from Maria Hallring of Ergox2 saddles, developed alongside a top Swedish physio.

This fitter in Canada is on this same path with her fitting and horse-saddle-rider work and shows what can be achieved in a month
 
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sbloom, I know that you are very suspicious of 'gadgets', and rightly so. I also despise the Pessoa (but not the equiami, which can be useful). Any physio etc who suggested that I use a Pessoa would be getting their marching orders.

But a correctly fitted and used Equicore does not 'pull the hind leg under the horse using a strap', what it does is to aid proprioception and to encourage the wonky horse to use itself correctly. It should be used carefully for short periods.

Believe me that my highly experienced and gifted chiro vet would not allow me to use any gadget which might be harmful.

I have to say that I don't know if the system that the OP has bought into works as well, although it is clearly a copy of the Equicore. There are a lot of poor copies out there, which can actually cause harm, though maybe this is not one of them.
 

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I have to say that I don't know if the system that the OP has bought into works as well, although it is clearly a copy of the Equicore. There are a lot of poor copies out there, which can actually cause harm, though maybe this is not one of them.

I think its a PAP band system, from Performance Animal Physiotherapy. My chiro vet recommended them, so I think they are ok!
 

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But a correctly fitted and used Equicore does not 'pull the hind leg under the horse using a strap', what it does is to aid proprioception and to encourage the wonky horse to use itself correctly. It should be used carefully for short periods.

And I agree that they're more useful than pretty much any other gadget, and yes, the Equiami is slightly better than the Pessoa, but none of them are assisting in lifting the thoracic sling, and DO have to have a slight pull on the hind leg, bringing it under. If I use a band to do my monster walk exercises, it pulls my legs inwards, there's no way round that.

When the simple gadget free ways of rehabbing are there, they work and have been around for eons, I'll stick with gadget free recommendations for most cases.
 

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Thank you. Do you find this exercise hard to do though? I seem to have to give his tail a right angled strongish pull in order to engage the muscle group I need and I think most times its not very successful. As he is so food orientated I have to tie him up along the short side of my stable as I can't get round his back end as he keeps stepping back expecting a treat! And its too dangerous to be pulling and pushing him this way and that on the concrete. I moved him over to let someone past the other day and he nearly fell over, one foot on top of the other!

Last night in the school I had to laugh, it was a shame. We were doing a belly lift by me putting the treat between his front legs up by his chest so he could arch his back, with my hand reaching around the back of his front leg to position it. I didn't realise but he had dropped the treat (I use those spillers treats for grabbing stretches underneath so I still have my fingers.) So when my hand came back up he was still with his head upside down under his chest, bobbing it up and down. I was like "Lari what the heck?" And then I realised he had dropped it on the floor and was waiting for a second chance!
I was shown how to do it by a physio. You need the horse standing square and relaxed. Caveat - do not attempt on a strange horse or a suspected kicker.
I hold the tail at no higher than 45 degrees and let him pull against my body weight, hold for 10 seconds then gently release. Obviously you need to squat, and really trust the horse!
 
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