Lateral work on long reins, any advice please?

wildhorses

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This is my first post. I've been a lurker for a while and have now decided to join the on-line world properly.

I do a fair amount of ground work with my horses and teach basic movements (very basic) from the ground before attempting them on board. I have found that if they have an idea what their legs are meant to be doing it makes ridden training easier for them. When I was younger I was lucky enough to watch a demonstration by Jenny Loriston Clark and Dutch Gold, doing dressage movements on long reins at her walking pace!! It was utterly amazing! Me and my lad are a thousand miles from what they could achieve but we are progressing and now we are a little bit stuck, hence the need to post.

I have a lovely horse that resonds really well to ground work. At the moment, lunging with two reins, he is able to walk trot and canter, lengthen his strides in walk and trot without going faster, walk to canter, rein back, spiral in and out, rein changes. I am currently working on asking for collection in trot, he shortens but struggles to maintain impulsion, his canter is also work in progress.

Long reining he is able to turn on the forehand and haunches, I can get him to move shoulders in or quarters in, so that his inside hind follows the outside fore and switch so his outside hind follows his inside fore, he can move sideways all in walk only. I struggling a bit to create and maintain the correct bend, as with ridden work sometimes he falls out through his shoulder, or curls his bum in too much. He can "leg yield" along a fence line but struggles going across the school, either going forward or sideways.

I think some of the difficulties I have is I'm still learning where I should stand etc and then trying to teach him so progress is rather slow.

If anyone has any advice for me on how I can proceed I would be very grateful. I have no desperate need to progress quickly, to me this is all training, for fun and personal learning. It seems to be beneficial to him, he is a sensitive soul and things he doesn't understand worry him greatly so to be able to break things down in to simple bite-size chunks helps. It is also lovely how his demeanour completely changes when he's trying to understand. You can see, almost hear him thinking and he tries so hard to do what I ask of him, even if our wires get a little bit crossed.

Thank you in advance
 
After having a very enlightening in hand lesson with my pony with a classical instructor who travels in my direction (we did mostly direct in hand). I then recently had a couple of in hand/classical long rein lessons with a schoolmaster, as I have always played about with my older chap on the ground but a bit blind leading the blind/making it up as we go along. instructor made it looks so easy but it did take me a while to get the dexterity! Schoolmaster was much more responsive but gave me an idea of the feel I was looking for/positioning etc with both direct in hand and on short classical-type long reins. I am back to playing a bit more at home now but will hopefully sort another lesson with Frank at some point. Interestingly I have the same outside rein contact ridden and Frank has been sneakily managing to leg yield down the side instead of bend in his shoulder in, and it has been fab for teaching him travers more properly.
 
Thank you for your responses. I have been looking at Simon Battram videos, I'll look at some in a bit more detail another time. I did have a good Sylvia Loch book, but typically I can't for the life of me find it. Seeing his videos has at least been encouraging suggesting my boy is at least stumbling blindly in the right direction.

A lady on the yard has a dressage schoolmaster, I've had a play on him a few times but I wonder if she'd let me have a go in hand? It would be nice if I could at least see the end result or get an idea of what I'm aiming for. I'm just enjoying playing at the moment and it is lovely to be able to see my horse move. It also highlights some weaknesses I have when ridden.
 
Hi wildhorses

Thanks meardsall_millie for the recommendation.

Just fire any questions you have and I will do my best to answer.

How do you set the equipment up for long reining? If you have seen any of my videos (note to self must do some more explanatory ones!!) then I do not take the reins behind the horse. The two lines go from my hands, to the highest rings on the roller and then directly to each bit ring. I am certainly not against reins going around behind the horse its just the way I have been shown to set them up means that the contact comes from roughly where your hands would be if you were riding and it makes it easier to flex / bend the horse.

So following on from this I stand at roughly 30degrees to the side and not directly behind. This means that we can both see each other and also you are not in the way of any hindlegs that may flick out!! lol.

Having the right energy level is the key. If they are too slow then the work will be sticky however too spritely and they go through the contact. Plenty of transitions before the lateral work will help get the response to the go and stopping aids.

What whip are you using, if any? I sometimes have the lunge whip if I am alternating between lunging on a circle with two reins and doing the lateral work going large or you could have a long in-hand whip (they are not expensive..) which means you can tap up the hindleg that needs encouraging.
Hope this helps but shout if you want more explanations.
Simon
 
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Just saw this thread and am planning on doing more ground work with our 21 year old stallion. (Mostly for fun, but to add variety and quality to our work in general) .

However I always find the rollers I have (or ones I can find on line) are rubbish and the rings are in the wrong place and often too small.

Anyone recommend a decent quality training roller with rings high up that is actually good!!??
 
That does look a nice one!

I think it may be a good investment though! (*justifies price to self*)
 
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