Lawsuit filed against Nestle Purina

Thanks for the link, really interesting.

It's terrifying really when you think that a lot of domestic pet vets advertise and often sell in stone pro plan.

I must admit I am baffled by the amount if dry food available and have been reading the raw food sticky with interest lately wondering whether I should really change.
 
Ive been admin on a dog forum so have known about a lot of dog foods. I don't feed kibble anymore, at all. They get meat and i do feed wet cans which is no great but better than kibble. Both always get comments on how good they look.
 
RunToEarth said:
I need to understand it a little bit better first because if I swap I want to do it for the right reasons, but will it have any negative affects on their digestive systems? Feel free to PM me, don't want to derail from the thread.
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Dogs eat meat.

MOST will only ever have good reactions. But like any diet it must be introduced slow and easy.

http://allbreedsdogforum.forumotion.co.uk/

This is a forum im on, its very very small but one girl, ella, is a raw feeding expert.
 
Thriller said:
Dogs eat meat.

MOST will only ever have good reactions. But like any diet it must be introduced slow and easy.

http://allbreedsdogforum.forumotion.co.uk/

This is a forum im on, its very very small but one girl, ella, is a raw feeding expert.
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Thank you Thriller for the link. I did read a lot before I picked our latest girl up, but I wanted to keep her diet constant for a while whilst she was young, I'm going to re-evaluate things now so I have lots of reading to do :)
 
When I read stuff like this I'm so glad we made the decision to go Raw when we got Ava.

I was clearly shown the difference a few weeks ago when I let her finish off a bit of supermarket wet cat food. She went hyper! Taught me not to let her do that again..
 
"He blames the problems on the presence of propylene glycol, an automotive antifreeze component.”

Eh? Ethylene glycol is a toxin found in antifreeze - propylene glycol is a preservative also used in human food.

We have propylene glycol on the dispensary shelf at work (veterinary surgery) though I can't for the life of me remember what it's used for - presumably it's administered to animals in some way though!
 
blackcob said:
"He blames the problems on the presence of propylene glycol, an automotive antifreeze component.”

Eh? Ethylene glycol is a toxin found in antifreeze - propylene glycol is a preservative also used in human food.

We have propylene glycol on the dispensary shelf at work (veterinary surgery) though I can't for the life of me remember what it's used for - presumably it's administered to animals in some way though!
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It's used to orally treat ketosis in cattle after calving and sometimes in sheep. ThAts the only vet use I know for it!
 
^^ Thank you, that makes sense, it's stored with the large animal drugs.

Not saying it's an okay thing to be adding to dog food but presumably then not poisonous in itself.
 
blackcob said:
^^ Thank you, that makes sense, it's stored with the large animal drugs.

Not saying it's an okay thing to be adding to dog food but presumably then not poisonous in itself.
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Propylene glycol breaks down to lactic acid which can in it self cause issues if present in huge amounts. Ethylene glycol breaks down to, amoung other things, oxalic acid which is very toxic. Propylene also doesn't have a sweet taste so isn't likely to be ingested. Both are used in anti-freeze although ethylene is far more common.

Propylene is used ruminants to treat ketosis because you can't use glucose like you would for other animals as the bacteria in the rumen break down the glucose before it can be absorbed by the body.
 
I think they have replaced ethylene with propylene in antifreeze because it's not sweet after some incidences of cats and dogs ingesting anti-freeze, pretty sure there was a big hoo ha about it a couple of years ago.
 
Having read the link it sounds as if the cause of the deaths was the mycotoxins, rather than the propylene glycol. Whilst they should not be present that is surely more poor hygiene than deliberate use of poisonous ingredients.

I know an elderly poodle which has been fed a raw diet all its life until recently when it started having violent seizures. The vet advised a complete change of diet, along with medication. As the dog isn't mine, I have no further info about the actual problem, except that it also had a mouth infection.

As with anything else different food imo suit different animals.
 
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I must admit I am baffled by the amount if dry food available and have been reading the raw food sticky with interest lately wondering whether I should really change.
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no offense Oz because I really like your posts but your comment really annoys me.

Ive been slated by certain people I know for not feeding raw, one of my collies cant have it period. he had a huge bacterial infection when he was about four and we nearly lost him, he was pooing and throwing up blood and dropping for much weight. since then his stomach is very sensitive and I have to be very careful what I feed him. He cant digest raw food. its too much for his stomach.

I'm not saying raw is bad, but that its not for every dog.
 
There are plenty of good kibbles and wet food out there. Raw is not the be all and end all of dog food. My gripe with some commercial dog food is the amount of rubbish included and what UK trading standards don't oblige manufacturers to mention.

Although it may have been the mycotoxins, Purina and other manufacturers regularly use BHA/BHT as the antioxidant when there are alternatives. I think it's a terrible shame that some manufacturers clearly consider only profit to be king when it involves our beloved pets and that some people never even look at ingredients. (This is not aimed at anyone on this thread!)
 
I agree with you CT.

One of my collies is do bad on commercial foods vets thought he had adhd etc. I changed to something else and he is completely different.
 
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