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I suggest you pay up as you agreed to this.

Then try and claim fuel etc back from the ex-loanee if you can really be bohered as they are the ones that broke contract. However, being that you agreed to this I'm inclined to say cut your losses.

Why on earth should someone collect your horse with short notice, assess it, ride it regularly and then have the bill squabbled. You're beef is with the wrong people here.

Pan
 
I would insist on collecting the horse on Saturday as you intend, regardless of whether they have given you a bill by then. The longer they have your horse there, the larger the bill will be. You signed nothing giving them a right of lien over the horse so they have no right to withold it from you.

The issue of the money is separate, and can be sorted out while the horse is no longer in their care and your bill is no longer increasing. Personally I think I would pay the livery, but not the transport/assessment costs as you were never told about them in the first place. As others have said, the college has equal blame in this as they did not disclose the full costs to you sooner, or indeed get you to sign a contract prior to having your horse. Surely that would be the first thing they would have done when taking on a new horse.

I would be in contact with the loaner personally, as it was down to them breaking the terms of the contract that you ended up in this sticky situation. Is there any sort of come-back you can get from them? Such as partial payment of the bills you are now faced with from the college as a result of the loaner giving your horse to them. I would be looking down that avenue myself.
 
well this has got a little out of hand! i have only ever used this site once before, and i was greeted by helpful polite fellow horsemen and women.

PaddyMonty i value your opinion, but not your distinct lack of charm lol..

I have had a detailed email back from a legal advice source, and i now know the best way to go forward.

thank you all for your help

xx
 
PaddyMonty said:
Yep def moaning about being ripped off. :rolleyes:
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give the girl a break will you. You have a valid point but im pretty sure the OP is learning her lesson teh hard way and will be paying financially for it.

She sounds young and a bit naive (sorry if im wrong here OP) but is trying to do the right thing by the horse.
she could, if she really couldnt be arsed have not bothered visiting it regulalry the time its been there and thinking of its welfare now by wanting to remove it somewhere where it will be happier.
i think she should be given credit for that

i really understand why newbies get put off asking for advise on NL when they get their heads bitten off for by someone like you only interested in berating them for their lack of judgement with all the relish of a headmistress about to deliver a good caning.
 
the advice is to go ahead and pay any monies wanted for livery and stabling costs. ( which i said was fair enough from the start!) how ever not to pay fuel / assesment costs as this was not pre agreed with myself or even the loanee. I can go and get my horse when i like, as long as i have wriiten to the college to inform them date and time. they can not hold on to his passport/tack etc as i have not signed anything over to their responsibility.

No CHARM was not needed as such PaddyMonty, but you could have put it a little better :)

i hear from friends you can be very useful for advice etc, so it probably wont be the last time i hear from you.

yes you seem to need a thick skin to come in here.. something i lack at times..

but as i said, thank you all for your help. im just looking forward to getting Max home :)
 
If I were you I'd print out a copy of the email you got from the legals and bring it with you Saturday just in case.

Good luck, and let us know how it turns out :)
 
lula said:
give the girl a break will you. You have a valid point but im pretty sure the OP is learning her lesson teh hard way and will be paying financially for it.
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i really understand why newbies get put off asking for advise on NL when they get their heads bitten off for by someone like you only interested in berating them for their lack of judgement with all the relish of a headmistress about to deliver a good caning.
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Ah so I have a valid point but should not express it. Got it now. Thanks Mam :p

PS, if you would like to read my other 5000 post you might find I do give the occasional bit of useful advise, sometimes even with charm thrown in. :D
 
yes Lula, i em learning the hard, expensive way, and have only ever done what i thought was best for my horse :)

i will let you all know how it goes, and yes i have already forwarded a copy of the email to the college :)

xx
 
sarah&max said:
No CHARM was not needed as such PaddyMonty, but you could have put it a little better :)

i hear from friends you can be very useful for advice etc, so it probably wont be the last time i hear from you.
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Did said friends mention anything about my charm? :eek:
Wasn't a Northamptonshire college by any chance?
 
no PaddyMonty, down here in sunny Essex.

and yes, said friends said your normally a nice guy, so i will give them the benefit of the doubt :P

Lula, im not young, but maybe a bit Naive lol.

mmmm and now for my next thread???? How to survive HHO unscaived
 
thank you very much Patterdale.. i am a very nice person :) but sometimes that gets me into nasty situations ...

nevermind, lesson learned, and a warrior gained in PaddyMonty lol..

xx
 
If your contract with the loanee states a months notice, they should be paying the bill. Does your contract state they have to return him? I would pay the livery if you are concerned about him and remove him.
 
Unless the College are operating under an Operator's Licence they are not entitled to charge you for picking your horse up and also it would have been illegally transported as the vehicle would not have carried the correct insurance for Hire and Reward. Also was the driver/groom covered in regard to the Animals in Transit Certificate?

Unless the contract is signed by both parties it is null and void.
 
PandorasJar said:
I suggest you pay up as you agreed to this.

Then try and claim fuel etc back from the ex-loanee if you can really be bohered as they are the ones that broke contract. However, being that you agreed to this I'm inclined to say cut your losses.

Why on earth should someone collect your horse with short notice, assess it, ride it regularly and then have the bill squabbled. You're beef is with the wrong people here.

Pan
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Totally agree with Pan, your issue is with the loanee not the college. If you wanted toI would write to the loanee advising them of the outstanding bill and pass the costs of a month onto them once you have paid it.
 
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