Lesley Skipper GUILTY

Alyth said:
I am appalled by the lack of sympathy for a fellow human being. I know the law system is not always right and it is much easier to be judgemental than compassionate....all I can say is thank God I don't live in the UK any more. When I was growing up in Devon people were much kinder to other humans, making allowances for human frailties. NONE OF US ARE PERFECT... remember the old saying "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"??
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Just remember she wasn't too frail to continue writing and being published about horses; she just ignored her own with devastating consequences for them so no, she doesn't deserve any sympathy I'm afraid.
 
Alyth said:
I am appalled by the lack of sympathy for a fellow human being. I know the law system is not always right and it is much easier to be judgemental than compassionate....all I can say is thank God I don't live in the UK any more. When I was growing up in Devon people were much kinder to other humans, making allowances for human frailties. NONE OF US ARE PERFECT... remember the old saying "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones"??
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Yawn !!!! no sorry unbelivable you think we should
feel sorry for a cruel neglectfull hipocitetical bint ??? if she had been hard up and ill maybe there would be grounds for some understanding there is no excuse for neglect, I understand a village is missing it's idiot...????
 
So, 4th October was yesterday; we still haven't heard what their sentence will be? Would this stage of the case run more than one day? I suppose it might , if all 3 sides want tp pick holes in each others' expert reports. I do so hope she and he go down. The thought of the lovely Nivalis being in such a dreadful state of neglect, makes me sad and very angry.
 
Met her once, and unfortunately my OH is in one of her books working with and riding our horses [ she took copious photos that day - and warned us they were her copyright and could never use them].
Do not wish to be associated with her - disliked her as a 'know-it-all' at the time - she disparaged everyone. £250 is a joke- surely there should have been 0s on the end?
 
cornbrodolly said:
Met her once, and unfortunately my OH is in one of her books working with and riding our horses [ she took copious photos that day - and warned us they were her copyright and could never use them].
Do not wish to be associated with her - disliked her as a 'know-it-all' at the time - she disparaged everyone. £250 is a joke- surely there should have been 0s on the end?
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..but surely you could have refused to have the pictures taken in the first place?
 
Well, at least the wretched woman has lost her livlihood, her reputation and her poor horses, as well as never being allowed any others to hurt and exploit. There isn't enough money to pay for what she and her husband did, but it does seem a very paltry sum. No costs against them either. Pity.
Btw, if you read the posts on AL, you will see the so called 'fluffy bunnies" are NOT excusing her behaviour or "sticking up for her": they are trying to understand how this woman changed from being a good horseowner and respected authority on Arabian horses, to a cruel person, in denial about their appalling behaviour to previously well cared for horses.
The posts were trying to understand the process, so that the writers could be forewarned should it appear to be happening again, being perpetrated by previously good enough owners. They are in no way, imho, excusing what happened, or supporting LS.
 
Perhaps Burmilla there is an ulterior motive to some of the them on AL, the ones we like to call the *fluffies*!!!!!!

Think a certain few only go on to cause trouble and get other forum members into trouble by being like they are.

They really need to grow up and start acting like adults instead of pathetic people they really are!!

And we all know who they are;)
 
gabriel68 said:
Perhaps Burmilla there is an ulterior motive to some of the them on AL, the ones we like to call the *fluffies*!!!!!!

Think a certain few only go on to cause trouble and get other forum members into trouble by being like they are.

They really need to grow up and start acting like adults instead of pathetic people they really are!!

And we all know who they are;)
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Can 't say I agree with you there, gabriel68. Who are these people, because I don't know who they are, and I have been an involved participient ALiner for the last eight years.
Just my opinion, of course.
 
A friend of mine bought a Stallion from the UK.It arrived in her yard about the same condition as the grey in the picture. She had been ripped off, let her heart rule her head kept it, has other problems that she was not told about. This horse came from a woman like this Skipper woman, did not give a dam about it but was all show, big house, friends in high places etc. Friend now looking for a home for it.
 
Burmilla, the thread has now been locked on AL because a certain poster still has the nerve to try and defend this woman, this poster is very well known for causing trouble and her attempts at trying to ridicule people with her stupid little quotes doesnt do herself any favours whatsoever.

She has a couple of people that side with her on there but the rest know excactly what she is about.
 
The posters in that thread that strike me, as an outsider, to be most reasonable and constructive are Jackiedo, Pop and Callisto. None of them has supported the actions of the Skippers - indeed they have said so repeatedly and yet for some reason were misunderstood and vilified (as I expect to be for having the audacity to write this). Human nature is an odd thing.
 
HAHAHA POP!! She is one of them that supported LS at the start of it all, go back and read the the thread form the start and on about page 4 she is supporting her.

POP may have a few friends son Al but beleive me the way she acts on there she also has a hell of a lot more who dislike her.

Funny how a handful of people seem to think she is talking sense when the majority of the forum thinks she talks from her backside.
 
To me she is a typical over weight horse woman, the type to slag other people off about their horses and the way they ride but cannot look after her own horses. I HAD one of her books, but last night threw it on the fire. I never do that to books. She needs to take a good look in the mirror and cut back on all the pies.
 
gabriel68 said:
Burmilla, the thread has now been locked on AL because a certain poster still has the nerve to try and defend this woman
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Do you not think its locked because it is a biased and over moderated forum? :confused:

The whole thing has made me very cross and there are just too many people on that forum that are not even worth trying to reason with. There are people whose job it is to try to understand the minds of criminals, and in the cases of murder, animal cruelty, child abuse, rape, etc, etc I'm happy to leave the whys and the wherefores to people who give a monkeys.

Some things are just as simple as right or wrong and when people knowingly do wrong all they deserve is contempt.
 
Flame_ said:
Do you not think its locked because it is a biased and over moderated forum? :confused:

The whole thing has made me very cross and there are just too many people on that forum that are not even worth trying to reason with. There are people whose job it is to try to understand the minds of criminals, and in the cases of murder, animal cruelty, child abuse, rape, etc, etc I'm happy to leave the whys and the wherefores to people who give a monkeys.

Some things are just as simple as right or wrong and when people knowingly do wrong all they deserve is contempt.
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Perhaps I worded that wrong. We could all see where the thread was going because of a certain poster and yes they forum is over moderated by the Admin who I think takes great pleasure in locking and deleting threads.

Shame it used to be the best Arab forum about, now its just ridiculed by people and loads of influential people have now left.
 
was so sad to read about this on AL. I had tried to contact LS via various email mediums to see if she needed help when all this came out earlier in the year not realising that in fact the rspc had took action the previous year.

What really upset me was that in her latest book on arabs I am sure there was a tribute to Navalis who she said she had lost , but in fact the poor horse had been pts by the rspca what hypocracy. I was so sad having followed the progress of her horses for years.

I dont understand where the LS of the early books and the LS of the last two years parted company as they dont seem to be the same person. I do know of one breeder on AL who i wont name but is older I think than LS, has lots of breeding stock and both her and partner are not in the best of health like LS - but they would I think lay down their own lives than let their horses be neglected.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pt-squalid-conditions-down.html#ixzz29SjKxQLJ

The other truely wierd thing is that in the distressing pictures in the daily mail the horses who were pts (Navalis and a mare) looked immaculatly clean although clearly not mucked out for at least 6 months juding by the mounds of bedding.
 
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bobajob said:
To me she is a typical over weight horse woman, the type to slag other people off about their horses and the way they ride but cannot look after her own horses. I HAD one of her books, but last night threw it on the fire. I never do that to books. She needs to take a good look in the mirror and cut back on all the pies.
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Her weight has absolutely feck all to do with this - her ability to care for her animals is driven by her character and personality not by how much she weighs. You just offended every single overweight individual on these forums by insinuating that they are incapable of caring for their horses - well done!
 
Flame_ said:
The whole thing has made me very cross and there are just too many people on that forum that are not even worth trying to reason with. There are people whose job it is to try to understand the minds of criminals, and in the cases of murder, animal cruelty, child abuse, rape, etc, etc I'm happy to leave the whys and the wherefores to people who give a monkeys.
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Yes, but the discussion was clearly about more than that. It was also about how people who, for years, evidently care for their horses entirely adequately by normal standards and who are not ignorant, uncaring, or malicious - can then, somehow, get into such a mess that some of those horses end up being pts by the RSPCA on grounds of neglect.

Note that I am talking in general here, not the Skippers and the rights or wrongs of that case. It is about whether and how we, as horse owners, can prevent something like this happening again with other people and other horses.

What are the warning signs, and what can be done that stands some chance (even slim) of being helpful? Merely expressing outrage is the easy option and undoubtedly cathartic, but it doesn't help to solve the problem and stop it happening in the first place. That's what the discussion was about that you and others seem intent on interpreting as support for the Skippers. Maybe you think the issue isn't worth bothering about, or believe that it's always going to be a foregone conclusion. That's your prerogative. However, those who do think it's worth the effort don't deserve the sneering and jeering shown in that thread (and to some extent in this one too).
 
bobajob said:
To me she is a typical over weight horse woman, the type to slag other people off about their horses and the way they ride but cannot look after her own horses. I HAD one of her books, but last night threw it on the fire. I never do that to books. She needs to take a good look in the mirror and cut back on all the pies.
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Charming.

Though I accept your criticism of people who slag people off I cannot see how weight comes in to that equation at all!

At 20+ stone I hold down a good full time job 60 miles away plus keep a smallholding of farm animals, two ponies and 200 chickens plus a house and various household pets I am up at 5am and dont stop till gone 10pm usually. The care my animals receive is paramount despite my size and fitness level.

I'm not planning to cut down on the pies any time soon though I am afraid ;)

Regarding LS I cannot believe she tried to persuade people on AL that she was being victimised and that one or two on there still support her despite the pics. reading back her old post about the stallion's death and his grave where she was planting snowdrops just goes to show how keen she was to hide from reality.
 
bobajob said:
To me she is a typical over weight horse woman, the type to slag other people off about their horses and the way they ride but cannot look after her own horses.
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You're not saying that it's only overweight horse people who slag off other people and/or are incapable of looking after their own horses. So what are you saying?? Methinks your prejudice is showing.
 
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