Libby A69X - killed

[AngelaWB]

Libby, the horse missing on loan reported elsewhere on this thread - has today been found to have been taken to a slaughter yard in Cheshire and killed.

Her distraught owners are being encouraged by friends and helpers to take matters further and to seek justice for Libby, a lovely old 25 year old mare.

The person/s responsible for her demise should be ashamed of themselves, I know I am ashamed that fellow humans can act in such a manner.

I would plead with anyone thinking of putting a horse on loan to think very carefully about it and do indepth research. Start with reading the Missing Horses on Loan website; ask potential loanees for proof of identity - ask for household bills to prove their address, contact their vets - please do not pu your horses life on the line.

 

[quirky]

How very sad for Libby's owners .

 

[joy]

The person responsible for this is a base, cowardly sh%t. Just give me 5 minutes with them.

 

[stencilface]

That just doesn't bear thinking about

They definitely should ahve a serious think about legal action, although I can see how that would be traumatic for them

 

[cally6008]

There has been no confirmation of this happening from MHOL

 

[ILuvCowparsely]

b4rstards i hope they trace who did this and make them pay hard

poor Libby RIP hunny :
feel so bad for the owners

I wanna know as she was freezemarked how she wasnt found sooner

takes the pi$$ out of having them done if they can do this horrid thing with one on

 

[Dolcé]

I am so sorry for her owners, they must be distraught, BUT in a way at least she is not being abused and suffering somewhere. Whilst I realise it means they can never get her back, and her end may not have been the one they would have chosen for her, she is safe from further harm and at least they know. It has to better than those who spend years and years wondering what the hell has happened to their precious horses. I hope this comes across in the spirit it is written. I hope they find the person who did this and that they feel the full force of the law - this is the only way these people will be stopped. It just needs one judge, with the guts to set an example, for it to become too risky to carry out these crimes.

 

[MurphysMinder]

So sad to read this, though I do understand what you are saying hch4971. Presumably the loaner had her passport which is why the abbattoir accepted her, as far as I am aware they have a very good name so wouldn't be involved in anything dodgy.

 

[Tinseltoes]

Very sad. Has this been concerned?????

 

[MHOL]

So sad to read this, though I do understand what you are saying hch4971. Presumably the loaner had her passport which is why the abbattoir accepted her, as far as I am aware they have a very good name so wouldn't be involved in anything dodgy.

I cannot comment at the moment but this is why if you put your horse on loan, tell the passport office it is on loan, associate yourself on NED Online and you can flag the horse is on loan, join NECD and flag the horse is on loan, tell your freeze mark company and microchip company. Keep your receipt for your horse, this is proof of ownership not a passport, get a loan agreement drawn up by a solicitor.

Libbys owner did nothing wrong, they tried to see their horse, someone else took it upon themselves to decide Libbys fate. My heart goes out to her very distraught owners, i cannot even find the words to say how i feel about this at the moment. The whole reason MHOL was set up was because of two horses in very similar circumstances, it sickens me that this has happened again and we will help anyone with a missing horse.

If you keep getting refused to visit your horse, delays, loanee has lost a baby, her father, husband been ill etc then alarm bells are going off, delays are the common denominator in almost every case it comes down to the fact there are delaying tactics for you to visit, the longer it goes on the last chance we have to find your horse. DONT BE PUT OFF BY DELAYS, either passive or aggressive

 

[AngelaWB]

MHOL are being an absolute tower of strength to the owners and are doing a wonderful and admirable job. The owners are obviously blaming themselves, though they have NOTHING to blame themselves for, I can only imagine what they are going through and the sleepless night they must have had last night. They sent me some photos of Libby last night, a beautiful beautiful mare.

This situation has opened my eyes. I'm a horse owner of over 30 years but do not compete, don't get involved in 'the horsey world', I'm a happy hacker/owner. Therefore I didn't realise that things like this were happening so would ask how many other people are ignorant of this type of thing?

I believe we owe it to horses everywhere to support people like MHOL and to help spread the word, educate your friends, if you go to riding schools/pony club/riding clubs etc ask them to read MHOL and other websites advising on the precautions to take when loaning out a horse or buying a horse, ask them to share this knowledge with others.

I never met Libby, nor have I met her owners - but this whole situation has upset me so much, I don't want her death to be in vain.

 

[Tinseltoes]

Maybe we could all add the MHOL link on our facebook pages?????

 

[AngelaWB]

Yes I did that last night, I will also be adding them onto my business webpage too.
In North Wales I'm involved with OWL (Online Watch) with NW Police, they too have been very supportive and will be spreading the word regarding the dangers of loaning.

 

[Tinseltoes]

Yes I did that last night, I will also be adding them onto my business webpage too.
In North Wales I'm involved with OWL (Online Watch) with NW Police, they too have been very supportive and will be spreading the word regarding the dangers of loaning.

South Wales here. I will add the link on my FB page later. Very scary thing loaning horses these days.Id never do it again. Both mine will stay here where I can see them. (actually one is a pony ive loaned until payed for and shes a field ornament and company for my cobby.

 

[AngelaWB]

Thanks for that. If we all, as horse owners, share the responsibility of educating horse owners, it can only serve to help protect our equine friends.

I most certainly will be pointing people in the direction of MHOL so that they can learn of the dire events that are taking place right under our noses.

There are too many horses 'missing' and too many owners going through a living hell.

 

[hayley123horses]

What an awful story it beggars belief that so called horse lovers could do that - I suppose I have just answered Myself there - they are not horse lovers.

Its sad but true facty of life that documentation is so important and that a proper contract is a must nit just listing the basics but also an inventory of tack

Very sad and distressing for the owners I hope you take them to court, if not I know it is wrong but I hope someone meets them in a dark alley.

 

[pintoarabian]

Firstly, sincere condolences to the distraught owners. Sadly, this is not an isolated incident and some unscrupulous people prey on the trusting in order to make monetary gain. They have no consciences and are governed solely by greed. I know of a case where someone advertised for a companion horse or pony to keep a pregnant mare company. The only truth was that there was a pregnant mare. 7 trusting owners handed over their horses and ponies to this woman and all went to slaughter. None of the horses or ponies were mine but I did rescue the pregnant mare and was involved in helping the police bring about a prosecution. Until that time, I admit to being naive and could never have believed humanity could stoop so low. Since then, I have heard of several similar cases. Please take every precaution when considering a loan home. All may not be as it seems and some people can be very plausible. The same woman advertised a pony for sale saying that her granddaughter was terminally ill with leukaemia. Several fell for the sob story which was a lie and paid deposits for the pony which was to be delivered so that the woman could check out the new home. Needless to say the pony never was delivered and all the deposits were pocketed. Despicable!

 

[Tinseltoes]

I have previously put a pony out on loan,but my friend knew the people and they loved him to bits and eventually bought him with a condition that if no longer required I get 1st refusal (got it in writing and signed) they kept him for life and bought another when they retired him.A home for life,thankgoodness.They were lovely people and let me visit him too. Sadly not all loan homes are good. I think it should be law that EVERY equine (young and old) are freezemarked and microchipped),but sadly it didnt work for poor Libby RIP babes.
Feel for the owners I ready do.

 

[Flummoxed]

I am absolutely gobsmacked at this thread. Don't know what to say..............

 

[Tinseltoes]

Firstly, sincere condolences to the distraught owners. Sadly, this is not an isolated incident and some unscrupulous people prey on the trusting in order to make monetary gain. They have no consciences and are governed solely by greed. I know of a case where someone advertised for a companion horse or pony to keep a pregnant mare company. The only truth was that there was a pregnant mare. 7 trusting owners handed over their horses and ponies to this woman and all went to slaughter. None of the horses or ponies were mine but I did rescue the pregnant mare and was involved in helping the police bring about a prosecution. Until that time, I admit to being naive and could never have believed humanity could stoop so low. Since then, I have heard of several similar cases. Please take every precaution when considering a loan home. All may not be as it seems and some people can be very plausible. The same woman advertised a pony for sale saying that her granddaughter was terminally ill with leukaemia. Several fell for the sob story which was a lie and paid deposits for the pony which was to be delivered so that the woman could check out the new home. Needless to say the pony never was delivered and all the deposits were pocketed. Despicable!

Wow.I would never put a horse or pony on loan these days.Very scary.

 

[mon]

Different but similar our bull is on hire passport sent back to defra for more pages they sent passport to where he is on hire we have nothing apart from trust that he won't be sold.

 

[ladyt25]

That is disgusting - WHY do people do this, is it solely for the little bit of cash they will get?

Should the slaughterhouses ask for more proof of ownership/ID of those sending the horse to slaughter? Is it just too easy for anyone to take any horse to a slaughter house? I am not necessarily putting blame on the slaughterhouses - maybe the money given for a horse should be a heck of a lot less though?

I really feel for the owners, what an horrific thing to find out.

 

[Rollin]

The Uk should adopt the French system. The ownership papers are separate to the passport and are retained by the lawful owner at all times. You cannot sell a horse without this paper.

 

[Tinseltoes]

The Uk should adopt the French system. The ownership papers are separate to the passport and are retained by the lawful owner at all times. You cannot sell a horse without this paper.

Hmmm thats a oood idea. Also they should ask for proof of ownership and proof of microchip numbers/freezemark proof as well,by producing original documentation.Everyone should make sure it says on the passport
CANNOT GO FOR MEAT.

 

[Tormenta]

Is there no way an abattoir can check freezemarks listed as stolen/missing on loan etc before they actually slaughter a horse? Anyone could take a horse for slaughter with a passport? Very sad for the owners, my heart goes out to them and may the perpetrator rot in hell.

 

[Tinseltoes]

You would think that the slaughterhouse would check for stolen/loan horses and make sure that the person who bought the animal in,is ACTUALLY the owner. Something has to be done about this.Sue the slaughterhouse maybe? Certainly string up the culprit who sold poor Libby.
Poor horse and I feel for the owners.
Cant someone do something to STOP this from going on and happening again????????

 

[Cuffey]

I dont know the story but guess
Loanee had passport --not signed out of meat chain and loanee has taken horse to abattoir before owner has realised and flagged up that horse is missing.

It is very hard to get the message out there to people to connect with their horses on Nedonline and make a note that the horse is on loan and cannot be sold without owners permission

As Rollin says we need the Haras system whereby a horse cannot be sold without the separate ownership document. The passport just enabling the horse to be identified for vet treatment/competitions/travel etc.

 

[mon]

Just a thought that sheep have to have microchip in ear tag as they are for human consumption so can't implant chip, but horses are implanted and still some go in food chain, wouldn't be allowed in cattle or sheep, condolences to all.

 

[Dolcé]

Hmmm thats a oood idea. Also they should ask for proof of ownership and proof of microchip numbers/freezemark proof as well,by producing original documentation.Everyone should make sure it says on the passport
CANNOT GO FOR MEAT.

You don't get the choice of it going for meat or not in the passport, just whether or not it is for human consumption ie abbatoir, as opposed to knackers yard.

 

[AngelaWB]

Until I became involved in this search for Libby I was ignorant of this type of thing happening. I had never heard of NED. I've owned horses for over 30 years, the two I have now were purchased in 93 and 2000, they are pets - I don't take much interest in competitions etc or the general 'horsey world'.

This has been an education for me - but it could have been so different. I found Libby's advert on preloved whilst looking through 'horses for loan', toying with the idea of putting my cob on loan. Now of course, I will never do this.

Surely there must be a better way of alerting people to the existence of NED, of the Loan situation etc - I'm sure I'm not the only 'horsey person' who lives in their own little world.

Maybe we need to start giving the equine world a voice and demand that rules are tightened up before horses can be slaughtered.