Libby A69X - killed

[SpruceRI]

This is not a new occurence..... some 24yrs ago I shared a horse with someone. Eventually the share ceased and the horse returned to its owner where she advertised it for loan. Along came some people who gave a wonderful story, about the home the horse would have.

The owners even went along to see the yard. All was approved and off the mare went.

After a few weeks of not being able to contact the new loaners, they went to the yard they'd viewed and no one there had ever heard of said people. They and the mare had disappeared off the face of the earth it seemed.

Bumping into the original owner several years later she said that she'd eventually tracked down the whereabouts of the loaners and found them to be dealers who regularly got horses 'on loan' and then sold them for meat. (

 

[blobby]

Many thanks for all your good wishes and support...I am Libby's owner and ,as you all must know, we are totally devastated by what has happened to our lovely pony. We loaned her in good faith with a signed loan agreement , visited her and also paid towards a vets bill while she was with the loanee. I admit I trusted the lady and thought she , like us, had Libby's best interests at heart. She was never signed over to the lady but nevertheless was given away in breach of the loan agreement and subsequently we discovered she died in February in an abattoir in Cheshire. This followed weeks of asking for contact details of her new loanee that only met with constant dead ends and with hindsight I realise that I should have begun the search sooner.
We have received a great deal of support and help from lots of people and I am determined not to let this terrible situation rest- I can't do anymore to help Libby now and I will always feel immensely guilty about letting her go at all. I am going to take it further and am just waiting to find all the pieces of the jigsaw to fit together about her last days.
If you are thinking of loaning your horse please, please notify the passport office / NED of this before you do- I did not and regret it now. However, can I just add that Libby was terribly unlucky in finding this loan home- I also loan out my daughter's 11'2 to a lovely genuine family who love him dearly and have helped in our search for Libby proving that most horsey people are caring and honest. Many thanks again for all the support- I will let you know the outcome.

 

[Tinseltoes]

Many thanks for all your good wishes and support...I am Libby's owner and ,as you all must know, we are totally devastated by what has happened to our lovely pony. We loaned her in good faith with a signed loan agreement , visited her and also paid towards a vets bill while she was with the loanee. I admit I trusted the lady and thought she , like us, had Libby's best interests at heart. She was never signed over to the lady but nevertheless was given away in breach of the loan agreement and subsequently we discovered she died in February in an abattoir in Cheshire. This followed weeks of asking for contact details of her new loanee that only met with constant dead ends and with hindsight I realise that I should have begun the search sooner.
We have received a great deal of support and help from lots of people and I am determined not to let this terrible situation rest- I can't do anymore to help Libby now and I will always feel immensely guilty about letting her go at all. I am going to take it further and am just waiting to find all the pieces of the jigsaw to fit together about her last days.
If you are thinking of loaning your horse please, please notify the passport office / NED of this before you do- I did not and regret it now. However, can I just add that Libby was terribly unlucky in finding this loan home- I also loan out my daughter's 11'2 to a lovely genuine family who love him dearly and have helped in our search for Libby proving that most horsey people are caring and honest. Many thanks again for all the support- I will let you know the outcome.

Im really sorry for your loss of libby.Its not your fault she died,you wernt to know the loanee was EVIL. RIP Libby babes.
If you want to chat your welcome to pm me anytime. I hope you take this evil person to court and she gets what coming to her.
I really feel for you.

 

[AngelaWB]

And hopefully a successful prosecution will mean that the persons name becomes public - hopefully this persons friends/relatives/neighbours etc will be as disgusted as we are. My blood boils.

 

[MHOL]

We are with you all the way, so sorry it wasn't a happy ending.xx

 

[blobby]

I would like to say a heart felt thank you to all the people at MHOL who have worked so hard to help us find Libby and would urge anyone thinking of loaning out a horse to read their website first. We really do appreciate your support.

 

[HappyHorses:)]

My heart goes out to you

You did nothing wrong. I hope the scum will be named and shamed to prevent this happening again.

RIP Libby.

 

[Oldenburg]

Many thanks for all your good wishes and support...I am Libby's owner and ,as you all must know, we are totally devastated by what has happened to our lovely pony. We loaned her in good faith with a signed loan agreement , visited her and also paid towards a vets bill while she was with the loanee. I admit I trusted the lady and thought she , like us, had Libby's best interests at heart. She was never signed over to the lady but nevertheless was given away in breach of the loan agreement and subsequently we discovered she died in February in an abattoir in Cheshire. This followed weeks of asking for contact details of her new loanee that only met with constant dead ends and with hindsight I realise that I should have begun the search sooner.
We have received a great deal of support and help from lots of people and I am determined not to let this terrible situation rest- I can't do anymore to help Libby now and I will always feel immensely guilty about letting her go at all. I am going to take it further and am just waiting to find all the pieces of the jigsaw to fit together about her last days.
If you are thinking of loaning your horse please, please notify the passport office / NED of this before you do- I did not and regret it now. However, can I just add that Libby was terribly unlucky in finding this loan home- I also loan out my daughter's 11'2 to a lovely genuine family who love him dearly and have helped in our search for Libby proving that most horsey people are caring and honest. Many thanks again for all the support- I will let you know the outcome.

I would just like to say how sorry i am!!
Humans fail me sometimes!!

 

[GingerCat]

Did the loaner give any reason for her/his actions?

 

[blobby]

Hi, thanks for the message..when I spoke to the loaner she said she had given the pony away to a lady called Rachel in Chester with no address or valid telephone number because she did not think the loan agreement counted for anything and that Libby was hers to do as she wished. This revelation came after many texts and calls asking for a contact number for Rachel because we always assumed that she had loaned her out and would have another agreement with an address etc on it. We found this unbelievable as we had kept in touch with the loaner and paid towards a vets bill in December (written into loan agreement ) because we always wanted to make sure that she could be treated for any illnesses etc while out on loan. I really cant work out what happened and why and since we found out about Libby's end we have had no contact from the loaner at all. regards.

 

[MHOL]

We haven't had any contact with her either despite when we told her the passport was registered as deceased she showed "concern" and asked to be kept in touch, she obviously never thought we would trace her, the police will deal with her now, i do hope she is ashamed but i very much doubt it, call herself a horse lover, would love to do a rouges gallery of who you shouldn't let near your horses, i think i will find out the legal implications for our website if they have been convicted.

 

[s4sugar]

Surely Turners know who the cheque was sent to? They will have to tell a police investigation.

Have you considered the Rachel person may not exist and the loaner on your contract sent poor Libby to slaughter?

 

[pixi]

Surely Turners know who the cheque was sent to? They will have to tell a police investigation.

Have you considered the Rachel person may not exist and the loaner on your contract sent poor Libby to slaughter?

think you got the nail on the head there from what field sharers said but shes kept her own coloured cob just libby n her kids pony holly dissapeared the same weekend .

 

[Pale Rider]

I don't know whether I'm missing something here, but loaning a horse, doesn't give the person who loans it the right to sell the horse for whatever reason.

As far as the criminal law goes, it's the same as loaning someone a car and they scrap it. It's theft, pure and simple.

If someone comes up with a tale to get a horse on loan, then sells it, once again it is theft, by deception.

Any half decent investigation would be able to get enough evidence to put before a court, particularly if the thief has done it a number of times.

 

[lourhys]

this is so upsetting. Sorry to her owner x

 

[Cuffey]

PaleRider
Wish all Police forces did consider this selling on loan plain and simple theft, MHOL would have lots more time on her hands.
Unfortunately most Police forces choose to say take out civil action.
There have been exceptions of course where the Police have tried hard to help particularly once a horse is located.

 

[MHOL]

PaleRider
Wish all Police forces did consider this selling on loan plain and simple theft, MHOL would have lots more time on her hands.
Unfortunately most Police forces choose to say take out civil action.
There have been exceptions of course where the Police have tried hard to help particularly once a horse is located.

So true but especially once the horse is located bit, the police haven't got time to look for stolen horses, thats why there is horse watch and missing on loan and tracing equines, we need the public to give us information or spot a new horse or even one thats been around a while. Some police officers go out of their way and it usually fails with CPS because its not in the publics interest to take them to court, so they get away with it, some "people" we have dealt with are serial offenders and they got away with it, makes by blood boil.

 

[Luci07]

What would the legal position be if you DID create a seperate rogues gallery? So I know you couldn't do it on H&H, it would be taken off immediately, but when I thought about it - if you have proof, then they can't sue for libel/slander because you do have evidence? or am I being a little Daily Mailish on this? i.e making sweeping statements with little to support it?!

I would understand you could only post the ones who perhaps are serial/nearly got to court etc. I would also understand if it was felt to be putting MHOL in actual danger but just a thought - or maybe a FB page.. with links?

 

[Pale Rider]

PaleRider
Wish all Police forces did consider this selling on loan plain and simple theft, MHOL would have lots more time on her hands.
Unfortunately most Police forces choose to say take out civil action.
There have been exceptions of course where the Police have tried hard to help particularly once a horse is located.

I deal with Police Forces a lot and have done since the 1970's, things have changed a lot. Not wanting to be too critical of the Police, but now you have to almost prove to them that an offence has taken place, and this 'Oh it's a civil matter' is really a way of avoiding getting involved.

 

[blobby]

As Libby's owners I spoke to the Telford police on Tuesday but to be honest they were not much help. Basically they said 1. because the loan agreement was not drawn up by a solicitor it was not really worth the paper it was written on and only constituted a verbal agreement (it was a BHS template) and 2. because I had given permission for Libby to be moved by the loanee to a friends field that I had given carte blanche to move her on. They did not seem bothered that Libby was NEVER given to the loanee in the first place and was always our property, not hers to give away ! They said they would do some digging but to be honest, I dont hold out much hope there. I feel so frustrated because surely they can see that something is amiss after trying to trace "Rachel" and being given several phone numbers that were false. Surely they can contact the abattoir and use their powers to find out the people that took Libby there? Also, after being killed on Feb 7th I have still not had her passport returned or any notification from Farmkey about the matter- if we had not found out the tragic news from NED then I would have still thought she was happily grazing in a field somewhere ! Something is wrong with the system somewhere.

 

[AngelaWB]

Keep going on at them Mandy, make a complaint if they don't take it seriously.

All - NORTH WALES POLICE very SUCCESSFULLY prosecuted a person who sold a horse on loan to an abattoir - if they can do it, surely other forces can too.

Why should this scum get away with what she did to Libby?

 

[Leah3horses]

Just a few years ago you hardly ever heard these horror stories of horses missing/stolen/slaughtered on loan...maybe because having horses was a lot less 'fashionable' then, and maybe people kept to their word and had some kind of moral code. In most areas I'd say years ago things weren't reported as much but still went on, ie child abuse etc...but it really does seem that peoples' beloved horses, who they are trying to do the best for in placing them in a loan home, and giving people the pleasure of their precious horse who may not be able to afford to buy one...are at risk now, and seen as 'fair game' by a lot of unscrupulous, immoral people...weather 'horse' people or not..

Really feel for Libbys' owner, who was doing a nice thing for that person, who they trusted...and trying to do the best thing for Libby, who was obviously very much loved by her real family. R.I.P Libby. In your memory, I will now never trust anybody like I have done.. Your sad end will hopefully make owners remember what happened to you when they consider a loan home, what a sad reflection when good people have to change their natures and be so suspicious