Life after weight loss jabs ?

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Ive just read on FB and dressage rider lost 5 stone on mj and states that his scores are higher and judges comments are better. Hes saying he's so glad he did it.

What baffles me is what happens then ? Its a known fact that as soon as you stop, the cravings / old habits return and weight goes back on. Only way to alleviate it is to stay on the meds for life.

Im seeing hundreds of adverts for quality riding attire (boots, show jackets etc) all being sold due to weightloss. How can anyone possibly re-train life long eating habits when the problem is temporarily removed ie the food noise stops. When you stop, the food noise returns. Surely these jabs are purely a temporary quick-fix?

(Edited to add that I wasnt thinking about bariatric patients with genuine health concerns due to weight. Thats a whole different thing).
 
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I suppose it depends what you do when you're on the jabs. do you use them as carrying on eating in the same poor way that got you overweight in the first place? or do you use them to help you creating new healthy eating habits!

its the same with any diet! I've done WW and SW many times and have lost 4 stone and regained it all and more because those diets were not sustainable! I also know people who have had gastric surgeries who have managed to gain weight again after a couple of years of losing 10 stone.

yes coming off the jabs will be hard but if people do it correctly and change the way they look at food they can continue to lose or maintain their weight afterwards.
 
I am not sure what the huge issue is in the case that someone may need to go back on them as required, or need them for life? It is likely to be a lower dose, as they only need to maintain, not lose.

Is it any difference to going on blood pressure meds etc?

Surely it is better than being obese for life? they will probably mean that medications for complications of being overweight will not be needed.

I believe that a tablet form is close to being released, and I imagine that pricing will come down.

I do not take WLI but I would support anyone that needs them and wants to take them.
 
I suppose it's like it's completely possible for WLS to not work either if no lifestyle changes take place, but that's easier said than done of course.
I have a horrible addictive personality and ultra processed foods feel like the lesser of many potential evils 🤣, so have mad respect to anyone who can cut out UPFs long term.
 
My friend is on the jab she has lost about 5 stone so is very pleased but seems to eat hardly anything which I don't think is very good for her, plus she has a gastric band but long term she thinks she will have to stay on it for life but the benefits out weigh the possible problems which may come along later, as far as she is concerned anyway.
 
I think the long term effect for what I call 'normal' obesity are not really understood, but for people whose obesity is a health concerns perhaps the benefits out weigh the risks.
I was offered oral Wegovy (semaglutide) as part of a drugs trial as I am a Type 3C diabetic. and yes I could probably do with losing 20kg, but at the same time at one point I didn't eat anything solid for four months, my diabetes is controlled and I do not want to risk my pancreas being effed up even more.
Feeling sick and not wanting to eat was miserable, as it is complications mean I can only eat small amounts.
I perhaps do not eat much more than I did in my twenties or even thirties, the main difference is I am older and do not walk miles a day. I know from what the cold, and mowing the lawn does to my blood sugar, it drops like stone, I think turning down the heating and trying to bit more active would perhaps be cheaper and make us fitter and slimmer, with no potential side effects , which can include muscle wastage, I wonder for older women what it does for bone density. Do we want the complications of poor nutrition later of in life, and young women ending up looking like the Osbornes?
 
It is possible that the motivational effect of losing weight does inspire users to be more careful (i.e. make lifestyle and food choice changes) after stopping the drugs. From my experience when I lost some weight previously (maybe 1.5 stone, I was never really overweight but had a bit to lose) it was definitely encouraging, and did stay off long term, I am now thinner than I have ever been and genuinely don't have a desire to snack or eat much bad stuff. Fitting into new clothes, looking nicer and feeling better is good motivation (as well as the positive effects on our riding and horses).

However I agree it's also well documented that weight loss by traditional methods does seem short lived in a lot of cases so it may be the same for many people with weight loss drugs. The puritanical old fashioned part of me feels that there are long term downsides of these drugs that aren't yet known and that proper managed weight loss is preferable.
 
AmyMay Again said:
My cousin's wife has been having the jabs. She lives overseas, and whilst she may have been about a stone overweight, she's lost a tremendous amount of weight and looks awful. Worryingly so 🥺
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I also think it is a massive concern that they are so widely available through online methods rather than properly prescribed, if you are willing to pay. I don't know if this is how your relation accessed them but in this case, a stone to lose doesn't seem enough to warrant drugs (where the reason to take them is surely that the risks of obesity are worse) and am sure she wouldn't be eligible according to health service criteria. Googling tells me that you need a BMI of 27/28 to get them with Superdrug online. For me, at a height of 5'5, I would have to be about 12 stone - or claim to be on the form - which is significantly more than a stone overweight.

The whole online pharmacy business is incredibly easy to abuse as it relies on honesty when filling in their forms.
 
Abacus said:
I also think it is a massive concern that they are so widely available through online methods rather than properly prescribed, if you are willing to pay. I don't know if this is how your relation accessed them but in this case, a stone to lose doesn't seem enough to warrant drugs (where the reason to take them is surely that the risks of obesity are worse) and am sure she wouldn't be eligible according to health service criteria. Googling tells me that you need a BMI of 27/28 to get them with Superdrug online. For me, at a height of 5'5, I would have to be about 12 stone - or claim to be on the form - which is significantly more than a stone overweight.

The whole online pharmacy business is incredibly easy to abuse as it relies on honesty when filling in their forms.
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She lives in Singapore. So I'm not sure how regulated it is there. In some countries money may override health criteria.
 
I have said about this on the other thread but there is a lot more to these GLP-1 injections than the weight loss.
I have PCOS, I was not ‘overweight’ but heavier than I have ever been at 9 stone 11.
I contacted an endocrinologist to discuss health concerns around the PCOS and hormones. I was prescribed Mounjaro and the change in my mood was life changing and I have a menstrual cycle - for context I have never had a regular cycle and I’m nearly 40. I have less of the unwanted hair growth that comes with PCOS.
I have lost weight, I don’t look bloated , my energy levels are up and the biggest win is my mental state is much improved.
I have had people comment about my weight loss and a few have been very disparaging saying it’s cheating (although I have not been on it for weight loss).
I am coming off the Mounjaro and starting Metformin next week. It is a worry that things will revert back but I’ll have to see.
 
When I have been in the changing rooms at the pool/gym I have heard the "trophy wives" that go there talking about being on the jabs. None of them are remotely overweight, but some of them have had a lot of cosmetic work done (I'm not really a bitch, they are perfectly nice people but with very different ideas about life)
 
Personally I think it’s gone mad . It’s all over social media and supermarkets have now cashed in on the meals for people on the weight loss jabs .

My sister who wasn’t that big. She only had a stone or so to lose. She’s now so thin and looks ill , she won’t stop taking it as she’s become obsessed that she will put weight on and eat loads if she stops taking it.

I’m sure it benefits and does well for many people but for lots it can be an addiction.
 
Ceifer said:
I have said about this on the other thread but there is a lot more to these GLP-1 injections than the weight loss.
I have PCOS, I was not ‘overweight’ but heavier than I have ever been at 9 stone 11.
I contacted an endocrinologist to discuss health concerns around the PCOS and hormones. I was prescribed Mounjaro and the change in my mood was life changing and I have a menstrual cycle - for context I have never had a regular cycle and I’m nearly 40. I have less of the unwanted hair growth that comes with PCOS.
I have lost weight, I don’t look bloated , my energy levels are up and the biggest win is my mental state is much improved.
I have had people comment about my weight loss and a few have been very disparaging saying it’s cheating (although I have not been on it for weight loss).
I am coming off the Mounjaro and starting Metformin next week. It is a worry that things will revert back but I’ll have to see.
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👏🏻👏🏻 to every word of this. Glp-1s are life changing to women with PCOS.
If I have to stay on a GLP-1 for the rest of my life so be it. Plenty of people are on lifetime drugs.
 
irishdraft said:
My friend is on the jab she has lost about 5 stone so is very pleased but seems to eat hardly anything which I don't think is very good for her, plus she has a gastric band but long term she thinks she will have to stay on it for life but the benefits out weigh the possible problems which may come along later, as far as she is concerned anyway.
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I know someone who had a gastric band operation - I used to go walking with her. She could only eat a small amount of food at one sitting. She wouldn't have been like that before the operation of course. And I've heard or read of others who are the same. Some were very unhappy about how little they could eat. They couldn't enjoy themselves when socialising anymore. I think that was on some show on the tele.

(Then there was the overweight woman, married to an overweight guy. She lost a ton of weight and her marriage broke up. I don't know if the busband was jealous or if he was peeved off at his wife for no longer indulging in the same activites - eating.)

Also I know of someone who was off to have the operation. We never saw her again. She died of some complication during the operation.
 
Follysmum said:
Personally I think it’s gone mad . It’s all over social media and supermarkets have now cashed in on the meals for people on the weight loss jabs .
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Is that why the supermarkets are so full of single meals these days? I thought it was due to all the 'working mums' everywhere and the hurried dash in the evenings. Space is being gobbled up by all this new stuff.
 
Lois Lame said:
I know someone who had a gastric band operation - I used to go walking with her. She could only eat a small amount of food at one sitting. She wouldn't have been like that before the operation of course. And I've heard or read of others who are the same. Some were very unhappy about how little they could eat. They couldn't enjoy themselves when socialising anymore. I think that was on some show on the tele.

(Then there was the overweight woman, married to an overweight guy. She lost a ton of weight and her marriage broke up. I don't know if the busband was jealous or if he was peeved off at his wife for no longer indulging in the same activites - eating.)

Also I know of someone who was off to have the operation. We never saw her again. She died of some complication during the operation.
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I knew a very overweight woman who had a gastric band when they first started doing them 25+ years ago. She lost the weight but then got very underweight as she wasn't getting enough nutrition and sadly ended up dying because of it.😪 She would have been about 40.
 
You can just stay on a low dose forever, or cycle on and off. I've an interest in this area so have been following both the research and real life stories on reddit/mumsnet.

Its very hard to maintain a rapid weight loss. They have had their food desire turned off then its suddenly back on, it must need super human willpower to ignore and is very different to losing weight without the jab.
 
Lois Lame said:
Is that why the supermarkets are so full of single meals these days? I thought it was due to all the 'working mums' everywhere and the hurried dash in the evenings. Space is being gobbled up by all this new stuff.
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No, there are supermarkets bringing out specific ready meals for WLI users, announced in the last couple of weeks.

Single person ready meals have been around for like... 50 years????
 
The fact that they work so well for many people will hopefully put to bed the arguments that being overweight/obese is down to lack of willpower, motivation, being ill-informed etc.

I know a few people who have constantly struggled with their weight who are also strong-willed, hardworking and intelligent (and some who exercise a lot).

Telling people that they just need to consume fewer calories and exercise more is a bit insulting really, they already know that.

Personally I believe it's a combination of genetics, cultural attitudes, upbringing and the huge proliferation of UPF food.
 
I was on MJ last year for 9 months lost 4 stone. Previously just over the threshold for being diabetic and high cholesterol, both now normal range. I didn't eat badly, just had some back issues that meant i couldn't exercise as much etc and the weight slowly piled on. I slowly came off it in November, yes the cravings came back, but you have taught yourself to eat less and walk away from the cream cakes etc. I have put a tiny amount back on, but i am at a good weight, exercise a lot more and I love how much better I look and that is also a big reason to keep the weight off.

Is it abused, yes, but for a lot of people it is a way back to a healthier life. The only downside for me was I threw away a load of my 'smaller' clothes about 3 months before I started on the jabs, so I've had to buy clothes that fit me 😂 😂
 
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For people who are seriously overweight and go onto the jabs, they also need psychiatric help to remedy the reasons for over eating in the first place.

A relative came into some money and took herself off to Poland for a gastric sleeve. Yes the weight did drop off her, but not the hoped for 10 stone in the first year. She id not have any psychological input. Ten years down the line she had put all the lost weight and more back on. She went on the jabs last year and so far has lost 4 stone with another 10+ to go, but still no outside input to help her with the reasons why she was overeating. We suspect once she comes off the jabs she will once again go back to overeating.
 
PCOS/Endometriosis sufferer here. 14 Months post Hysterectomy and only 37!
I started Monjaro in May and lost 4 stone, could never, ever lose weight unless I was starving myself and working out every day for an hour(cardio) even though I am very active.
Monjaro for me has been an absolute game changer!
I dont plan to ever stop using it. :)
 
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