Life and horse trailers.....kicking around options

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Got a lot of things in my head at the moment. Gonna try to put them in size order.

We borrowed a mate's 3.5t lorry today to try to take Hermosa out to go hacking on some fun trails about 30 minutes away. Hermosa hasn't been in a box since we moved to our current yard 2.5 years ago. She was not keen to get in this thing. We realised we were not going anywhere, so the day just turned into loading practice. Kind of achieved something, but not enough. She will need a lot of consistent work in this department. Problem is we don't have our own transport. My friend keeps her horses about half an hour from the yard, so getting her lorry is a hassle. Plus it requires OH, because I can't drive a manual (and he has a 9-5 sort of job). That's just not a thing we can do a couple times per week because of his schedule and the lorry owner's schedule.

I could probably bribe other owners on my yard to pull out their trailers and let us play with them, but again, I don't think that's something we can ask for consistently, since people have busy schedules and better things to do. YO has kindly offered her 3.5t, but that depends on her (or her yard manager) having the time to move it, then move it back to its parking space (cannae load from the parking space), and I know scheduling that stuff has been faffy for other people doing loading training. They are understandably very busy, and if you don't know how long it will take you to make progress that day, it could be very tricky to coordinate.

So where does that leave us?

1. Ignoring it and making it a future problem. I mostly get through life this way, but sometimes, future problems become now problems.

2. See how we go with bribing other trailer owners. Not sure this will actually work because I am not sure anyone has the time to make it a regular thing, which is fair enough. And it doesn't help very much with the next stage, which is showing the horse that the trailer actually goes places.

3. Sort out our own transport. Best option, but not easy. I have 2014 4x4 Skoda Yeti that can tow 2.1t. It does not currently have a tow bar. OH has a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV that's as useless as a marzipan dildo for towing horses. Neither of us really want to replace a vehicle at this second. The Yeti has been super reliable (knock on wood), plus it's covered in bumper stickers and decals, so not very sellable. At all. I spent hours scraping off one so I could replace it with a different one and I am never doing that again. Also, it's cute and we are both attached to it. OH would consider changing the Outlander, but he doesn't want that expense and hassle this year. We are annoyed that the 3.5t trailer license rule wasn't scrapped when he bought it....otherwise, he would have bought a damned pickup, but that is what it is.

3b. The f*&*))*( ing Glasgow LEZ. One of our cars needs to be able to drive into the city centre. That is not my Yeti. LEZ compliant pickups cost a ton more than non-compliant ones (duh), and we really can't have two non-compliant cars. This is a major headache. OH would be far more willing to trade in his Outlander for a truck if he didn't have to spend £££££££ on an LEZ compliant one.

I don't know if it's just me being American, but I am not wild about towing with the Yeti. My instinct is to get the biggest f*()*)(*cking truck you can. But realistically, fitting a towbar to the Yeti and getting an Ifor of some sort is the cheapest, easiest option. It just feels a lot to ask of my little car. We would not be going far, at least not for a wee while.

Dunno....we are kicking around ideas. We would really like to fix our loading issues and take Hermosa on some off-yard hacks this year. There's trails up in Aberfoyle, only half an hour away, that could keep you busy for a lifetime. If she'd marched onto our friend's box, borrowing that or hiring one would be options, but horses will be horses, and we *clearly need reliable access to a box or trailer to iron out the loading anxiety before we go anywhere fun.


*when I moved her to our current yard, she went straight onto the box, but I'd been doing work for like a month, going on and off a fellow livery's box. The parking set-up of that yard allowed us to work on it without anyone moving the lorry from its parking spot, so I could play with it at my leisure, with zero time pressure and hassle. The lorry/trailer parking at current yard is not so amenable. But at least I know that consistent work in low pressure situations does get the horse on the box. It's just...making that happen.
 
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If the Yeti is rated to tow at 2.1 then towing an ifor and horse would still keep you at 75% or less of that rating. I’d feel comfortable with that, personally, weather and roads depending.

I just bought myself a new sundowner all aluminum to get away from towing with a truck here! Figured CA towing is certainly not as hardcore as towing up and down i70, and my truck just sits there doing nothing most of the time.
 
No expert here on towing weights. Could a ‘now’ solution be to buy a trailer that is within the towing capacity of your yeti if you get a towbar fitted (others have commented on this and it sounds do-able) so that you can independently hitch it, move to wherever it needs to be, and get practising. Never mind the future problem of actually leaving the yard (although short trips around the block are part of loading practise). It solves the immediate concern of having a horse that won’t load, in case you need to for an emergency, and the matter of the vehicle can be a future problem (for when you do want to go out recreationally) - when you can either learn to trust the yeti, or are ready to change a vehicle. And at least in the meantime you have a horse that loads for those times you borrow transport or whatever.

Don’t suppose a cheap old towing vehicle is a possibility just for that job? Although by the time you’ve got that and a trailer it may make more sense to buy a 3.5.
 
We used a mare and foal Cheval with our yeti (we are not rich and this was the cheapest way to get our own transport) and it was fine. 16.3hh sport horse so Hermosa will fit fine and be lighter. Some things I didn’t like about it but we never went far and I basically got my money back when I sold the trailer. It would be a good starting point for you if nothing else.
 
No expert here on towing weights. Could a ‘now’ solution be to buy a trailer that is within the towing capacity of your yeti if you get a towbar fitted (others have commented on this and it sounds do-able) so that you can independently hitch it, move to wherever it needs to be, and get practising. Never mind the future problem of actually leaving the yard (although short trips around the block are part of loading practise). It solves the immediate concern of having a horse that won’t load, in case you need to for an emergency, and the matter of the vehicle can be a future problem (for when you do want to go out recreationally) - when you can either learn to trust the yeti, or are ready to change a vehicle. And at least in the meantime you have a horse that loads for those times you borrow transport or whatever.

Don’t suppose a cheap old towing vehicle is a possibility just for that job? Although by the time you’ve got that and a trailer it may make more sense to buy a 3.5.

That was my thought as well to get a towbar and a trailer and practice and then take a decision as to whether you are going to go down that route and if you are happy with your current car or need to get a different one. I think some of how happy you are with the current car might depend on where you’re actually towing so lots of big hills or not and how far you’re looking to go.
 
Don't try and force her on let her stand there and make the decision

Put her on with another horse already loaded and go for short rides

Get your own trailer now for the future let the towing bit sort itself out in time, as it sounds like you will go places

Well that's my arxhways way of doing things
 
I have a similar problem except I drive a fiat panda that can tow 900kg and our nearest horsebox hire is an hour's drive and the last time I tried to hire for a day I was exhausted 🫩

At the moment I'm going with option 2 but that also requires the field to dry out as it's a skating rink at the moment. I want to save for a 3.5t but I have a sneaking suspicion pony would prefer a trailer. If I had towed before and had a towable car I'd definitely be looking at a trailer.
 
As you have 2 ponies i would definitely lean towards a trailer long term, you're bound to want to take them both at some point. Worry about vehicle replacement later
Some great ideas already mentioned, but an older sound trailer purchase and practice at your convenience, or rent one for a period to do the same.
 
Get a trailer, get training, see how the yeti copes. If you don't like it then you're not any further backwards, trailer will sell pretty easily from the looks of the market rn and you have more information and Hermosa has some training.

Also, not to advise someone to do anything terrible illegal (don't think it is) if you don't have a manual license you can still move a lorry round a car park to practise loading. Someone takes 5 mins to show you what it sounds like to do a bad thing to a gear box and that's another logistical problem solved.
 
I would just get a towbar on the Yeti, get a strong trailer ( A cautious horse can often be put off by a flimsy lightweight trailer). I would go for an Ifor 505 and get a full width breast bar with no central partition to give her plenty of room. No front ramp makes them lighter to tow, and cheaper to buy.
 
I have known a number of horses who really did not like loading onto a 3.5 but would happily load onto a trailer - it is something about going up the ramp into that solid wall. With a trailer you can practise loading with everything open so that it becomes a walk-through exercise to start with. If you can get her happy with trailer loading, I would go for the tow-bar option on the Yeti. If you are only doing short journeys then it should cope perfectly and be a more flexible solution for you.
 
I would also go the "mare and foal trailer on the Yeti" route, I have an Ifor 401 (M&F) and tow it with an old Volvo that's only rated for 1800kg. Total loaded weight including horse is probably approx 1400kg - I've never had a problem (and it is HILLY round here!), and the Chevals will be even lighter than the Ifors. Single / M&F trailers hold their value really well so you're unlikely to find a cheap one, but if you look after it you will probably get back what you paid should you decide to sell.

That way you become entirely self sufficient. Before I bought mine I dithered over transport - borrow, hire etc - for at least a year, but buying the M&F was one of the best things I've done.
 
If it helps to look at it this way, if a car is rated to tow a certain amount that is a number that has been tested and sweated over and has umpteen safety factors on it. It will tow that safely even in extreme, stretch of imagination conditions. If you don't like the feeling of the car having to put a little effort in that is 100% understandable but you'll have to try that first to see!
 
Difficult one: can't offer specific advice I'm afraid. See, years ago you could easily pick up a little single-horse (or "mare & foal) trailer) quite easily. Nowadays they're like hens-teeth to source. That would have been ideal for your situation.

You really need a good towing vehicle don't you; I'm surprised the Mitsi you've got isn't up to the job, that is disappointing.

Tis a huge shame OP you are at the other end of the country!! Glasgow is a bit of a tidy trip from where I am in Devon down the sharp-end. Here at my yard (I'm a YO) I'll happily wheel out my old Pegasus trailer regularly (the damn thing is pure white, if that isn't a PITA I don't know what is lol) and we'll all have some "loading practice". Very useful all-round, but particularly so for my livery who's got a youngster, plus my little pony-mare who'll easily get sassy if not loaded regularly.

Something I've found, is that horses do load differently in different set-ups. My old lad spent 3hrs once literally dragging me through the perishing hedge backwards (a blackthorn hedge at that, the sod), but would happily hop up the significantly steep ramp of a friend's 3-horse lorry without complaining. Ditto my pony-mare: my trailer was out of action once and so we needed to hire a 3.5 Renault - it had mirrors - and we've never seen her so stressed during a journey, she just wasn't happy. We hired another 3.5 soon after this - and the difference was amazing. This one had a much narrower stall than the Renault, and she wasn't physically able to move around so much, and therefore was much happier.

Sorry, I haven't been much help, but just hope you find a solution.
 
It does look like a tow bar on the Yeti is our best bet. I had towed a lot in the States, but with an F250 and a big steel bumper pull trailer. Slant load, step up, a lot easier to convince a horse to go into than ones with ramps, and they seemed to like the herring bone configuration. Getting such a thing here is £££££££££, whereas Ifors are plentiful and affordable. My old horse preferred it to be set up like a loose box, so I generally travelled without the divider.

The Mitsi is a hybrid, hence the lousy towing weight. The diesel Outlanders are at least 2t. But the hybrid drive train won't cope.
 
Your 4x4 yeti is absolutely perfect for towing one horse in say an ifor 505. You are overthinking it and I get it having come from the states with the huge towing rigs! Get your towbar on and get a nicely preserved 505 and get practicing. I second taking the partitions out and getting full length breastbar and back bar. You won’t know yourself if you are able to get out and about with your horse. I just hate personally asking others for things I am v independent. In any case the 505 won’t depreciate and you can sell it in a couple of years for the same money if you decide to go for a 3.5t.
 
Get a trailer, get training, see how the yeti copes. If you don't like it then you're not any further backwards, trailer will sell pretty easily from the looks of the market rn and you have more information and Hermosa has some training.

Also, not to advise someone to do anything terrible illegal (don't think it is) if you don't have a manual license you can still move a lorry round a car park to practise loading. Someone takes 5 mins to show you what it sounds like to do a bad thing to a gear box and that's another logistical problem solved.

Its not illegal on private land. I only have an auto licence due to knackered legs but used to regulary drive a manual van full of hay round the yard.
 
I know the YO won’t let anyone move the box but her and certain staff members. My friend’s one is like 10 miles away.

I’m not getting a manual license. Would require a pile of lessons, plus the horror of a driving test. I never want to take a UK driving test again.
 
If the yeti is the 2l you will be fine but I would stick to a single horse trailer.
Ifor 401 or cheval mare and foal both great, lightweight, strong and hold value and affordable. You can push them about manually if needed and park in tight spots.
Double 505 would be pushing it for the yeti for stopping on hills, although doable I wouldn't risk 2 in without a pickup.
I tow 401 with volvo s60 2l Diesel car no real issues. Hill starts are interesting with no 4x4. Total cost £6k. NO brainer.
 
I have known a number of horses who really did not like loading onto a 3.5 but would happily load onto a trailer - it is something about going up the ramp into that solid wall. With a trailer you can practise loading with everything open so that it becomes a walk-through exercise to start with. If you can get her happy with trailer loading, I would go for the tow-bar option on the Yeti. If you are only doing short journeys then it should cope perfectly and be a more flexible solution for you.
Funny enough , my tricky loader prefers the 3.5. Wide ramp. And as he’s good in turning my just touching his flank, it was easy. He didn’t like the narrow trailer space with the partitions and rushed when coming out the ramp
 
3.5t are not all equal - some feel bright and spacious; many do not!
I know a few people who tow a single smaller horse (in a normal double trailer) with the marzipan dildo PHEV outlander, and one of them is a paranoid sort of person that I would trust to do calculation right (the other would tow off a Smart Car if that's what she happened to have available)
 
I have known a number of horses who really did not like loading onto a 3.5 but would happily load onto a trailer - it is something about going up the ramp into that solid wall. With a trailer you can practise loading with everything open so that it becomes a walk-through exercise to start with. If you can get her happy with trailer loading, I would go for the tow-bar option on the Yeti. If you are only doing short journeys then it should cope perfectly and be a more flexible solution for you.

Ive had a few who didnt like it initally, and found the turning and moving over bit a bit confusing.
 
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