Lighter Later!

I think it's a rubbish idea, it would mean pitch black mornings for most of the year. And for the industries who start work early, like equine and farming, a total nightmare!
I can't wait for the clocks to go back, as am already turning my horses out in the dark, and starting work in the dark!
Kids would be going to school in the dark, which IMO is more dangerous than them coming home in the dark.
Hows about everyone just gets up earlier???? :P
 
faboo! thank you :) oh and ello to a fellow londoner!

anyone else? they need 100 mp's to turn up and vote on 3rd december - so worthwhile writing to your mp ( link on website after youve signed the petition )
 
nikkiportia said:
I think it's a rubbish idea, it would mean pitch black mornings for most of the year. And for the industries who start work early, like equine and farming, a total nightmare!
I can't wait for the clocks to go back, as am already turning my horses out in the dark, and starting work in the dark!
Kids would be going to school in the dark, which IMO is more dangerous than them coming home in the dark.
Hows about everyone just gets up earlier???? :P
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I think its a fabulous idea - i already turn my horses out in the dark, bring them in in the dark*, go to work in the dark and come home in the dark. Most kids get dropped off in the daylight in the mornings and go home in the dark ( at least the ones i see! ) I think there would also be less accidents if it was lighter later as everyone is less tired after a days work.

I do get up early, but theres only so many (daylight) hours in the day and it doesnt help me if it gets light at 8am when i have to be at work for 9 - not enough time to do anything much!

Also the NFU are no longer against this, so cant see how it would be bad for farmers?


* actually ive stopped doing this this winter as my mare simply doesnt cope. I am now paying someone to bring her in at 4pm.
 
Sorry, I agee with nikkiportia. We would not get any extra hours of daylight, this scheme would just shuffle the light along.
Those of us who live north of Watford do NOT need mornings to get any darker and as a Primary school teacher, I certainly don't want my pupils walking along narrow pavements and crossing roads in the dark in the morning. As things stand, they can get to school in relative safety and leave in daylight.
As I get home after six, I don't think an extra hour's evening light is going to make much difference to my day. I'd still be doing the horses in the dark, morning and evening.
 
nikkiportia said:
I think it's a rubbish idea, it would mean pitch black mornings for most of the year. And for the industries who start work early, like equine and farming, a total nightmare!
I can't wait for the clocks to go back, as am already turning my horses out in the dark, and starting work in the dark!
Kids would be going to school in the dark, which IMO is more dangerous than them coming home in the dark.
Hows about everyone just gets up earlier???? :P
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you could get up later!!!:D
 
Pearlsasinger said:
Sorry, I agee with nikkiportia. We would not get any extra hours of daylight, this scheme would just shuffle the light along.
Those of us who live north of Watford do NOT need mornings to get any darker and as a Primary school teacher, I certainly don't want my pupils walking along narrow pavements and crossing roads in the dark in the morning. As things stand, they can get to school in relative safety and leave in daylight.
As I get home after six, I don't think an extra hour's evening light is going to make much difference to my day. I'd still be doing the horses in the dark, morning and evening.
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i dont see how being north of watford or not makes any difference? i lived for years in the cotswalds and for a time in yorkshire - it was no different light-wise!

Kids walk home in the dark - how is this different? :)
 
I live in a village - next door to the village school where the majority of kids are from less that 1 miles away and I've NEVER seen one walk to work - all get dropped off by their parents who ignore the parking restrictions and seem to think the world revolves around them anyway (not tarring all parents with this just the ones I see!) so wouldn't make the blindest difference.

Personally I'd like the clocks to just remain the same all year as it saves me getting up at 2am to change them manually on our phone systems :D
 
Ah, if only I could get up later!!! LOL! Some of us have to start work at 7:30am you know! And thats a pretty late start in the horse world.

OK, if you want another argument against it, have you thought about the weather conditions in the mornings? More people having to travel to work and to school, when the ice is still very hard? As for being less tired in the mornings than the afternoons, what tosh, lol! How many people drive to work half awake? I know I used to! Making the morning rush hour dark for an extra hour is total insanity.
I suspect the amount of road accidents would dramatically increase, and for the sake of us having an extra hour of daylight in the afternoons? No thanks.
 
I think it's an awful idea as well. It was still dark when I was going to work this morning which was beyond depressing at half 8! Cannot wait for the brighter mornings.

I don't fully understand the whole "saving energy" argument either. I'll just have my lights on far longer in the morning rather than the evening, as in the AM I'm navigating the dining room/kitchen/bathroom/living room/bedroom/hallway so those lights will be on and off in the AM, whereas with darker evenings I'm in the one room, not trying to get out of the house on time!

The only people I know in favour of lighter evenings are southerners and they can jog on. :D ;)
 
Thanks for the thoughtful proposal!. In Scotland in the depths of winter, it's already not light until after 8 and it's dark at 3.30pm
So not changing the clocks would essentially mean it's not light till 9ish and dark at 4.30pm. Anyone that works average office hours will not actually see ANY daylight. I will not be signing!
 
I love the idea. It wouldn't make any difference to me with an extra hour of darkness in the mornings as I'm still up in the darkness anyway.

And as for the safety of schoolkids. Well, I'm with Miller on this one. Kids round here simply DON'T walk too and from school. Their parents all drive their precious darlings the few hundred yards to and from school, making the roads even more crowded and less safe (vicious circle forming here). And the government wonders why there is a growing amount of obesity amongst British kids!

Anyway, I digress.

Am all for the extra daylight in the evening.

As for the farmers needing the time in the mornings, I can't understand that at all - yes, I know they have demands from suppliers and that - but it's not like a 9 to 5 job where you have to be there at set times. Whatever time the clocks are set to, there are still the same amount of daylight hours - so I can't understand why farmers can't adapt accordingly (I mean, it's not as if the stubble field is crying out urgently to be ploughed up at 8am precisely now, is it?).
 
I would hate it - I prefer it to be lighter in the mornings as it is so much easier to wake up naturally with light rather than alarm clocks and manmade lights. I always feel much more awake and full of energy in the lighter mornings, regardless of how early it is. Not so fussed about it being dark in the evening - I like to wind down in the evenings and the darker nights help this.

makes no difference from a horse owning point of view with floodlights in the school and lights in the stables and I dont have kids so not worried about them getting to and from school on dark evenings/mornings but arent they at school from 9-3 anyway - its light all year at those times isnt it? Cant they wear some high viz and learn the green cross code!
 
Bad Idea. I DO walk my 2 primary age children to and from school each and every day. The danger on our Village roads are people rushing to work, those that are running late, those who are dropping their kids off on the way, it would be WAY more dangerous in dark and icy conditions. My elder 2 catch the bus, and go out at 8 and in at 3.45. ATM they are safely in daylight hours (just) both ways. If the clocks stayed the same, they will be catching a bus at a village bus stop in the dark. NO thanks. I just dont see any advantage whatsoever. Its dark at 6 now, and getting earlier.. most people dont arrive home till then anyway so what is being gained?
 
nikkiportia said:
Ah, if only I could get up later!!! LOL! Some of us have to start work at 7:30am you know! And thats a pretty late start in the horse world.

OK, if you want another argument against it, have you thought about the weather conditions in the mornings? More people having to travel to work and to school, when the ice is still very hard? As for being less tired in the mornings than the afternoons, what tosh, lol! How many people drive to work half awake? I know I used to! Making the morning rush hour dark for an extra hour is total insanity.
I suspect the amount of road accidents would dramatically increase, and for the sake of us having an extra hour of daylight in the afternoons? No thanks.
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I have considered the weather conditions - and if its icy or sleety people are still making that journey in the dark now - at half 7 like you say :) so that makes no difference. And i think it depends what job you do, but i for one am knackered physically and mentally after a days work! I do wonder if there are any statistics for morningrus-hour accidents vs evening rush hour accidents?

I drive in and out to london every day ( ok, not a true londoner anymore, i live about 200 yards outside the M25 *sadface* and i do have to agree with Miller, etc that i do get stuck in the school run and it is very frustrating! The inner london kids do seem to take more public transport but there is noticably less traffic on the road during the school holidays - bliss!!

Im not saying that everyone has to agree, as it does not suit some people, but the current BST/GMT doesnt suit people either! But am loving the (healthy, adult) debate!
 
Having started to work riding out p2p horses, i would hate it. first lot wouldnt be able to get on till half 8/9 in the middle of winter as it would still be pitch black!!
 
TBH, I just don't like change.

Thing is for economical reasons - surely the rest of Europe (who also have daylight savings) woudl have to change too, otherwise for european business the hours would be more out of sync wouldn't they?

Most places have this, except Iceland, somewhere else, and some of the Aussie states. The poor people in western australia can't get their heads around it, so whilst sydney and everyone changes, they don't which does change business days for big companies ime :)

Their reasons for not wanting it in WA? Well some of the public though it would mean their curtains would fade more - I don't think they got that the government wouldn't actually be changing the length of daylight! FWIW, young and bright people over there want daylight savings, and resent being in a place where views are so backwards :)
 
excuse my ignorance, i only have a little experience... when i worked in a racing yard in oz - we started work at 4am - in the dark, and all horses were exercised by 7 - when it started getting light - i guess things are done differently here?

As you would have the extra hour of daylight in the afternoons, wouldnt you just be able to start later if you need the daylight to ride?
 
Stencilface said:
TBH, I just don't like change.

Thing is for economical reasons - surely the rest of Europe (who also have daylight savings) woudl have to change too, otherwise for european business the hours would be more out of sync wouldn't they?

Most places have this, except Iceland, somewhere else, and some of the Aussie states. The poor people in western australia can't get their heads around it, so whilst sydney and everyone changes, they don't which does change business days for big companies ime :)

Their reasons for not wanting it in WA? Well some of the public though it would mean their curtains would fade more - I don't think they got that the government wouldn't actually be changing the length of daylight! FWIW, young and bright people over there want daylight savings, and resent being in a place where views are so backwards :)
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LOL maybe the grass is greener? I lived in WA for a year as a teenager. I didnt miss the daylight savings that much - but i was working on a yard there, not in a office or anything :)
 
I'm all for it.

I work 9-5 so in the dark nights I can kiss goodbye to doing anything with the horses mon-friday after work....I don't have electric on my yard. I muck out in the dark, and bring them in in the dark. Only time I see them in daylight is at the weekend.....and when I pop in on my lunch-hour to check them.

I HATE this time of year.....I look forward to Christmans because by then its already been the shortest day and the days are getting longer ( slowly)

Bah humbug.....:mad:
 
digitalangel said:
i dont see how being north of watford or not makes any difference? i lived for years in the cotswalds and for a time in yorkshire - it was no different light-wise!

The further north you are in Britain, the shorter the daylight hours in Winter, so in the north of Scotland, it is dark when it is sunrise in the South of England.

Kids walk home in the dark - how is this different? :)
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My pupils do NOT walk home in the dark. School finishes at 3.15p.m. and they are usually home before it is dark, even in December. I know that many pupils in affluent areas are dropped off by car -which is a whole different issue. However this definitely does not apply to my pupils, who almost without exception walk to their local school. The High Schools in this area also finish about the same time, so that pupils are not leaving school in the dark.
 
Pearlsasinger said:
My pupils do NOT walk home in the dark. School finishes at 3.15p.m. and they are usually home before it is dark, even in December. I know that many pupils in affluent areas are dropped off by car -which is a whole different issue. However this definitely does not apply to my pupils, who almost without exception walk to their local school. The High Schools in this area also finish about the same time, so that pupils are not leaving school in the dark.
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Sounds idyllic! I bet you have a great drive into work every day without all that nasty school run traffic :) As you point out, it doesnt apply for your pupils but the sad case is that it does apply to many others. *sadface*
 
digitalangel said:
Sounds idyllic! I bet you have a great drive into work every day without all that nasty school run traffic :)
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PMSL!
If you knew the area I teach in you'd think that "idyllic" is the last word to use! I teach in one of the highest areas in the Index of Multiple Deprivations. The reason my pupils walk is that most of their parents can't afford a car! Unfortunately, I do have to contend with parents at other schools which I pass taking their children to school, if I home a bit later than usual.
I agree that there is less traffic on the roads in the school holidays - I think that this is partly because parents try to take time off work as well. Wet days are the worst for me - loads of extra people seem to take their children to school in the rain!
 
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