Lisa Walsh (dog breeder Norwich)

I am incredulous that any member of the public would visit a site as described as above and not realise this was a puppy farm and not suitable conditions from which to buy from.

My god how stupid do you have to be.
 
We didnt know that at the time and when we went to her house there was the mum and 2 puppys that was it, If i had seen all of this before hand i wouldnt have got a puppy. It was a basic house with a little boy so thought nothing of it she was ever so friendly and chatty too, god i feel stupid as it is she is a selfish cow, she told us she not long lost her husband that was probably a lie too. I hope she gets sent down for fraud but i feel sorry for her boy if she does. she doesnt deserve any dogs.
 
gingerthing said:
Family06 I have PM'd you.

Public participation and exchange of information.
Members of the public spoke of their concern regarding the Greenacres Farm
application. There had been problems at the site and far in excess of the proposed
20 adult dogs were being kept on the site. An overview of the recent history of
activity on the site was given, highlighting that the environmental licence for a puppy
farm did not give consideration to planning conditions. The site had been visited by
Police and Trading Standards in April. Concern was expressed about the
separation of puppies from their parents and that calculations based on monitored
activity on the site would indicate around 50 puppies being sold per week, therefore
around 55 bitches being kept. Issues of contaminated bedding and excrement were
highlighted, due to serious health risk. Electrical appliances were dangerous and
posed a fire risk, and fire exits were blocked. It was suggested that conditions 3, 4
and 5 of the original planning permission were being breached. The applicant had
been given notice to quit by the landlord.
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t would take a great deal more than 55 bitches to belt out 50 pups for sale per week.Fifty puppies is approx six litters,on average.To produce one litter for sale PER WEEK needs four bitches whelping a month, six litter output per week means twenty four by my sums. Worked out per year is is a big big operation,and I would imagine entails buying in poor little souls from Eire; John Vant had an operation this size when he was down nearby,and they certainly came from all over the place.The Council people only ever saw around fifteen bitches..so being helpful I worked out the numbers needed to get that output,bit of a revelation to them actually!
 
Hi i have emailed papers they are ringing me tomorrow if anyone might be interested in talking to them to get lisa stopped please contact me, lisa needs to be stopped she has her application meeting tomorrow to decided if she can have 20 adult dogs. Im gonna do all i can to protect these dogs.
 
Thank goodness my partner and I decided to do some investigation after a niggling feeling that something wasn't quite right with this woman. We went to see her last Friday about a black lab puppy, despite the state of the house she seemed very nice, the puppies looked healthy and she showed us her KC registration and the mother and answered all of our questions, I even found her on the KC site so we picked a puppy and paid £50 deposit and are due to collect him on Saturday.

After seeing all of these messages and also those ones on Facebook warning ....what do we do????? I don't want to support a puppy breeder but I don't want to leave the poor animal with her but I can't afford a huge number of vets bills as soon as we get him home if he is ill. She is providing 4 weeks insurance with the puppy and I would of course have him insured after that but am in a real quandry as she is obviously doing something I would no way support.

I have suggested that we go over on the pretence of collecting the puppy and confront her and demand our deposit back or demand a full vet check before taking him home, if she doesnt comply do I call the police as she has, as we have found out, advertised under a different name and has taken our deposit under false pretences.

Any advice would be appreciated!!!
 
Contact trading standards, the licensing section of her local council and the Kennel club.

Pass them the information on this thread and check the information of the date of birth of the puppy with the Kennel club.
The registrations should have been processed and the parent's names should come up on the KC heath site.
Do try & get your deposit back - where were the puppies born?
 
The puppies are 9 weeks old and she told us they were born onsite. We asked about KC papers and she said that when we collect him give her the KC name we want and she would register all the puppies together and then send us the paperwork once processed. She advised that he had been given all his injections apart from his final booster so he is in good health otherwise the vet wouldnt have given him his vaccinations. She has put on the deposit receipt it is non refundable but I will say that she has/is selling under false pretence and she can either give us back our money or I will (I will anyway) report her to as many authorities as I can.
 
If the pup is only nine weeks it cannot have had all the injections.
If she advertised as KC registered and the paperwork has not been sent of they are not KC registered.

Talk to trading standards and phone her and ask for the parents names so you can choose a name - armed with this you can look them up via the kennel club or PM me & I'll check them.
 
Thankyou for your help, I have emailed the Kennel Club and Trading Standards about her, we will email her tomorrow to ask for the parents names and also the exact date of birth and innoculation details.
 
You wont get anywhere with her she is a cow and dont care what she is doing to these dogs and people i even said i was gonna go to hers and get some money back as there not kc registered at all she said if i go there she will call the cops on me, she makes me sick. Good news tho my puppy is alot better now she is a healthy little thing it took time and havent been able to take her on walks yet but can from tomorrow :)
 
TOO YOUNG for walks! Not defending the breeder but don`t bugger it`s legs with too much exercise before six to nine months and blame her for it..please?Pretty Please??:p
 
family06 said:
You wont get anywhere with her she is a cow and dont care what she is doing to these dogs and people i even said i was gonna go to hers and get some money back as there not kc registered at all she said if i go there she will call the cops on me, she makes me sick. Good news tho my puppy is alot better now she is a healthy little thing it took time and havent been able to take her on walks yet but can from tomorrow :)
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If its says KC registered in the advert and it's not please get your money back and let her call the cops. You haven't done anything wrong she has so please go get your money back and don't let these people take the pee. They were quite interested in a woman selling dogs that where meant to be registered but weren't. You pay for KC quality registered dogs that's what you should get. The police took up the case of my friend when she got an unregistered dog as they found the person selling these had done this to loads of people and they where not paying tax.
 
EAST KENT said:
TOO YOUNG for walks! Not defending the breeder but don`t bugger it`s legs with too much exercise before six to nine months and blame her for it..please?Pretty Please??:p
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Especially if it's a Lab (sorry, think it's a Lab you got?). The general rule of thumb is 5 minutes per month of age. So an 8 week old would be 10 mins max, at 12 weeks that goes up to 15 mins, 16 weeks it's 20 mins. Gentle exercise, try not to overdo the pavement pounding (do some loose-lead work but try to combine it with a bit of play on grass, basically treat the walks as training sessions too)
Also bear in mind the type of exercise. Steep slopes or stairs aren't great for growing joints, neither is jumping up/down big gap, even certain tricks put strain on the growing joints like 'paw' or standing up on its hind legs.
http://www.thelabradorsite.com/?p=1671
 
I have been doing some investigation. She as a kennel is not registered with the KC but her dogs are and she has advised that puppy paperwork will be sent off once we choose its KC name. The sire and dam are named Princess Candi and Court Melyn's Duke if someone could check this out for me please.

I have spoken to South Norfolk County Council and she is a licenced breeder with them, they have advised that they have inspected her on several occasions, some unannounced, and they are perfectly happy with the conditions in which she is keeping the dogs and how she runs her business. Apparently the head vet at Chapelfield Surgery did the initial check and was happy with what he found. I have also spoken to the vet who vaccinates the puppies (Rosie - Paws Indoors Hempnall) who has advised that she has vaccinated them for DHPPI & Lepto2 on 8th June and provided a certificate and she said she is happy with their health as she wouldnt have vaccinated them if she wasn't.

Now completey confused !!!!!!
 
http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/services/public/mateselect/test/Default.aspx

This doesn't find either of the parents.

Just bear in mind that not all vets are that motivated by morals - they're making money from these vaccinations. Also some vets have admitted to doing puppy checks and vaccinations on BYB/puppyfarm puppies simply because they can at least guarantee the dogs have received their vaccinations - making the best of a bad situation as such. Don't forget that at 8 weeks old, congenital issues like hip dysplasia, eye conditions, etc. aren't likely to be present yet either - a pup that is deemed healthy is no real indication of it's longterm health.
 
Neither show up on any of the online kennel club databases.

What did the paperwork for the bitch look like?

Courtmelyn's Duke is a chocolate labrador who was at stud in Devon - http://www.champdogs.co.uk/litter/19129

May be worth contacting his then owner.

Where were the puppies advertised? On the KC site or elsewhere and do you have a copy of the advert?
 
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Screen shot & print the adverts and go to Trading standards - the puppies are not as advertised ie not KC registered as the advert states.
Different ages and prices with same photo?

{Bashes head on desk} - that advert screams puppy farm! BTW it is considered poor form to mix yellow & chocolate labs when breeding.
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Plushi said:
Thank goodness my partner and I decided to do some investigation after a niggling feeling that something wasn't quite right with this woman. We went to see her last Friday about a black lab puppy, despite the state of the house she seemed very nice, the puppies looked healthy and she showed us her KC registration and the mother and answered all of our questions, I even found her on the KC site so we picked a puppy and paid £50 deposit and are due to collect him on Saturday.

After seeing all of these messages and also those ones on Facebook warning ....what do we do????? I don't want to support a puppy breeder but I don't want to leave the poor animal with her but I can't afford a huge number of vets bills as soon as we get him home if he is ill. She is providing 4 weeks insurance with the puppy and I would of course have him insured after that but am in a real quandry as she is obviously doing something I would no way support.

I have suggested that we go over on the pretence of collecting the puppy and confront her and demand our deposit back or demand a full vet check before taking him home, if she doesnt comply do I call the police as she has, as we have found out, advertised under a different name and has taken our deposit under false pretences.

Any advice would be appreciated!!!
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What do you mean "her KC registration"?

Did the council have both of her premises licensed? - the farm and her home?
 
No health tests on parents and priced per colour. Classy!

All vet checked means is that the vet has looked at them. No substitute for health tested parents and there is no excuse not to health test breeding dogs for hereditary diseases like hip dysplasia where it is common in a breed, such as labrador.
 
I dont know how some of you saying my puppy that is nearlly 4 months is to young for a little walk as the vets said now she has had all vaccinations its best to give her 10 min walk to get her use to being on her feet, i dont think thats to young at all.
 
10 minutes a day is fine for a 4 months lab, Freya is a similar age and when she has a walk on lead it is for about that long, though most of her exercise is free play in the garden or field.
 
s4sugar said:
What do you mean "her KC registration"?

Did the council have both of her premises licensed? - the farm and her home?
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She said she had her Kennel KC registered but after the call this morning she doesn't have a Kennel name registered with the KC. The house and farm are together and the property is licenced according to the South Norfolk Council who again have said they have no concerns.

We are going to attempt to get our deposit back and not have the pup, hate to leave him there but cannot support or fund this woman. If we don't get it back which the woman at the council said we wouldn't Trading Standards have given me a letter template to use to claim it off her in writing.

We have found another puppy with a fully registered breeder who has its brothers and sisters, mum and dad and grandma all on site - he is 6 months old ..... if we do go and see him can someone give me a list of all the questions we should ask
 
Think you will find in law that a deposit is forfeit here.By the same token,if a breeder takes a deposit on a puppy,but then finds out nasty stuff about the buyer,they are still bound by contract to sell that puppy to them.
 
Not if the deposit was paid when the purchaser had been lied to and if the sale wouldn't have happened if the seller had been honest.
Same as a seller can cancel a sale (returning any deposit) if the person leaving a deposit did so under false pretences eg - Live in a detached house with fenced garden and only go out for four hours a day then you then discover they are in an upstairs flat with no garden and work 9 - 5.
 
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