List for crufts

[[158444]]

So I'm going to crufts this year which is very close now and as it's only once a year it's my chance to meet a lot of breeds that you don't normally see and I was hoping if I write a list of what I would be looking for in a second dog if you could give recommendations to add to the list I already have for when I go to crufts I'd really appreciate it

Size: large ( my definition of large is anywhere from 55cm to 70cm and any were from 27kg upto 60kg)

Training: fairly easy to train doesn't have to be as easy or as biddable as my Theo ( he's a Golden retriever) but I'd like a dog whose's not too independent so will listen 90% of the time even if it's after the 3rf attempt ect

Energy level: medium Theo is calm in the house but active outside but he tires quicker than his visla friend for example and I'd prefer a dogs whose energy level is similar to that of a Golden

Exercise: Theo get a 45 min run off leash at a nearby field in the morning playing fetch then a 1hrs long walk in the afternoon and then another 45min walk in the evening plus plenty of brain games and training during the day so I need a dog who can be happy with this and not need more

Barking: due to my daily migraines I can't handle excessive barking or very barky dogs so breeds who are quiet like Golden's are the most important thing on my list and the one I can't compromise on. I'm fine with barking at the door for a few minutes provided they stop when told and are otherwise not massively barky and only bark for a reason but soon settle when told. I'm fine with other vocalisations provided their not high pitch for example I could not handle the toller scream that the nova Scotia duck tolling retriever makes

Other dogs and pets: I only have Theo so no other pets but I would like a breed who will be good with other dogs or at least is ok with them not overly friendly but at least ok with other dogs

I have no kids and don't plan on having any

The only visitors to my house are family which is once a week visit

I would like a dog that can handle crowded places as me and Theo go on lots of days out to beaches, farmer markets , festivals ect so an easy going dog

I can't deal with excessive drooling like a newf and I'm not fond on flat faced breeds or very thin breeds like greyhounds

Coat: I don't care what the coat looks like but nothing more than a samoyeds coat I can't deal with more than that in terms of grooming

Other people: I don't mind a dog who's is friendly to others like Golden's or is not interested in other people at all

I am not interested in protection as I can look after myself but I won't turn a breed down for being protective as I have had a GSD in the past and I'm fine with breeds people may be scared off as I will be doing extensive socialization no matter what the breed and training starts from day one and my aim no matter the breed will be to have a well behaved , well trained dog who is confident and happy like my Theo. I'm not bothered if people cross the street it's their problem not mine as I know my dog is under my control and is a wonderful dog

I want an affectionate, calm , easy going , laid back , playful, loyal breed

The only breed I would say no to is a Labrador for personal reasons

I know I could have another golden but it would be nice to have 2 breeds.

Hope this helps if you need any more info or if I've forgot anything please ask

Thank you in advance

On my list so far are
Eurasier
Rottweiler

 

[twiggy2]

I would remove the Leon berger from your list.
In my experience they can be snobbery and short lived, many seem to really grow a lot bigger than expected.
I personally ally would also find a dig of that size difficult to take out and about and if it did turn out to have issues with other dogs then I would t want to be dealing with a dog of that size on lead all the time.
I know nothing about the eurasier other than what I have looked up since you mentioned them on another thread, form what I can find they can really vary in temperament etc.
How about a flat coat- a few health issues potentially though, a setter or pointer of some type, a nova Scotia duck Toller or a rottie

 

[cbmcts]

I'd say Rottweiler too, particularly a slightly older rescue so you know what you're getting!

Rottweilers in Need have a lot more dogs that never make it to their website so it's well worth filling in the application form and then having a chat with them http://www.rottweilersinneed.co.uk/Pages/contactus.html#adoption

 

[[158444]]

I would remove the Leon berger from your list.
In my experience they can be snobbery and short lived, many seem to really grow a lot bigger than expected.
I personally ally would also find a dig of that size difficult to take out and about and if it did turn out to have issues with other dogs then I would t want to be dealing with a dog of that size on lead all the time.
I know nothing about the eurasier other than what I have looked up since you mentioned them on another thread, form what I can find they can really vary in temperament etc.
How about a flat coat- a few health issues potentially though, a setter or pointer of some type, a nova Scotia duck Toller or a rottie

I agree with removing the leonberger as I was concerned with just how big they get and thier short lifespan.

To the others you recommend

Nova Scotia duck tolling retriever: they do a toller scream which my migraines I get daily won't be able to handle

Setters and pointers: all the setters I've met have a reputation for being high energy way more than a Golden and I'm looking for a breed whose's energy is similar to a Golden. Pointers especially German shorthaired pointers I see a lot and they are all way more energetic than my Golden so based on setters and pointers being very high energy I'd have to say no

Flat coat: my mom has flat coats and I do love the breed but the reason I went for a Golden over a flat coat is the high cancer in the breed the last 4 flat coats my mom has had have died from cancer and none lived passed 9yrs which might not bother my mom but bothers me , I know Golden's can get cancer too but it's not as high as flat coats

Rottie: I like rotties I have a soft spot for them but know nothing about them so interesting you recommend them based on my list above, interesting to see if anyone else would recommend them as well but for now I will put them on my list

 

[[158444]]

I'd say Rottweiler too, particularly a slightly older rescue so you know what you're getting!

Rottweilers in Need have a lot more dogs that never make it to their website so it's well worth filling in the application form and then having a chat with them http://www.rottweilersinneed.co.uk/Pages/contactus.html#adoption

I've added the rottweiler to my list now they have 2 votes

When I was considering another GSD but chose not to risk it as their a barky breed a lot of the friends I made in the GSD community recommend rottweilers as their not as vocal as GSD and are known as a silent guard but I don't know much about them so if anyone owns them I'd love to hear from rottie owners

I'm going to do some research on them too

 

[Hackback]

I'd say don't be tempted by a Pyrenean. They are beautiful and they do look a little bit like a big white goldie, but although they have loads of good qualities they are primarily guardian dogs and like to warn you with a deep loud bark at the slightest threat of danger, including things like a snail crawling up a wall, a neighbour 10 houses away shutting their car door etc. They are also very independent and some strains are would-be roamers and excellent escape artists, using stealth, agility, brute force or tunnelling to liberate themselves.

Sorry I know it's not what you asked, but you may as well go armed with breeds to avoid! Although if you do go to see the Pyrs you will definitely fall in love. And Pyrenean puppies are the cutest things ever, fact.

 

[Roxylola]

My go to on reading your tick list was labrador ?
Dobes?

 

[[158444]]

I'd say don't be tempted by a Pyrenean. They are beautiful and they do look a little bit like a big white goldie, but although they have loads of good qualities they are primarily guardian dogs and like to warn you with a deep loud bark at the slightest threat of danger, including things like a snail crawling up a wall, a neighbour 10 houses away shutting their car door etc. They are also very independent and some strains are would-be roamers and excellent escape artists, using stealth, agility, brute force or tunnelling to liberate themselves.

Sorry I know it's not what you asked, but you may as well go armed with breeds to avoid! Although if you do go to see the Pyrs you will definitely fall in love. And Pyrenean puppies are the cutest things ever, fact.

Thank you , I'm aware of how vocal the Pyrenean is I see one on our daily walk and he never shuts up , gorgeous dog and yes looks like a big white golden but nothing like them

 

[Hackback]

Also, I know little about Rotties and we had considered the breed ourselves but our vet said they see a lot of bone cancer even in young dogs, she said it was due to breeding so it may only affect certain lines, others may know more.

 

[[158444]]

My go to on reading your tick list was labrador ?
Dobes?

Dobes are nice but I prefer the look of rotties to dobes

 

[[158444]]

Also, I know little about Rotties and we had considered the breed ourselves but our vet said they see a lot of bone cancer even in young dogs, she said it was due to breeding so it may only affect certain lines, others may know more.

I only know a guy with 2 rotties we see a few times a week and both his are males both very well bred and trained and he socialized them really well , Zack his older male ignores Theo has no interest in other dogs will say a quick hi but only has interest in cuddles from other people it's sad the amount of other dog walkers who avoid them when all Zack wants is nothing but cuddles , dodger his younger one loves people and dogs he says a quick hi from me but then he plays with Theo he adores Theo so Zack comes running to me with a very happy wagging tail and dodger goes straight into a play bow when he sees Theo

Apart from these 2 I don't know any other rotties so will be nice to meet more at crufts

 

[cbmcts]

I'll happily do a post about the good, the bad and the ugly about Rotts later - I'm just heading to the rescue kennels now to spend the morning walking and training...PaS is the other person on here who's had rotts and Mrs Mozart too IIRC.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Rottie: I like rotties I have a soft spot for them but know nothing about them so interesting you recommend them based on my list above, interesting to see if anyone else would recommend them as well but for now I will put them on my list

They are absolutely fabulous dogs! We have had 3 but won't be having any more (unless one falls onto us). We lost all 3 to cancer aged 9/6/8 long before they appeared to be 'old'. The other reason for us not getting another is their size. We need dogs that one of us can walk together and in truth, one adult Rott needs one human to walk it. A Rott breeder lives very close to us and they have changed their practices within the last few years, so that although they walk their dogs together, each dog has its own handler, always. We now have Labs, which we have had in the past. They are much easier dogs, you have to always be on top of Rotts, or they will take charge. If I were you, I would get another Golden, they will play together appropriately. Rotts like to play tug, which afaik, isn't a Golden's preferred game, and use their weight to their advantage.


ETA, none of ours had bone cancer, we think 2 started in the spleen (apparently splenetic cancer is the most common in Rotts) and spread to liver/bowel, while the last one had bladder cancer. They just don't live long enough for us.

 

[MurphysMinder]

Have you been to Crufts before ? If your migraines are triggered by noise I'm not sure I would recommend going , it is horrendously noisy. Imagine all those dogs in big echoing halls, it's a nightmare.

 

[Btomkins]

Large munsterlander?

 

[some show]

I know you said no to greyhounds, but just in case you fall for them at Crufts, they are (aside from the odd exception), extremely quiet (eerily quiet!). I've had mine 6 years and have probably heard him bark about three times. Also laid back, affectionate etc, and big at 40kg

 

[[158444]]

Have you been to Crufts before ? If your migraines are triggered by noise I'm not sure I would recommend going , it is horrendously noisy. Imagine all those dogs in big echoing halls, it's a nightmare.

I have been , I take strong pain meds and take regular breaks from the noise once it gets to much I also don't spend long their once I've met the breeds on my list got lots of advice and made my decision I'll be leaving

 

[[158444]]

Large munsterlander?

What are their energy levels like as theirs no working , show spilt would they not be more high energy than a Golden?

 

[twiggy2]

The Pointers do vary, Germans are higher energy but the English especially the more show lines are a it easier going, I know many who are really easy dogs, beautiful too.
Another golden is a good shout too, you could go for a different shade of golden?

 

[Clodagh]

If you want to go to crowded places a lot it is going to be difficult with two very big dogs on leads. I am far more limited in my outings now I have more dogs. That’s not answering your question though ?.
The amount of exercise your dog gets is a lot and any adult working breed would be happy with that. Is he a show or working goldie, that you have now?
Anyway I have no new breeds to add to your suggestions, good luck.

 

[Btomkins]

What are their energy levels like as theirs no working , show spilt would they not be more high energy than a Golden?

Honestly I don’t know as I only know one in person, my cousins dog. He is active and does enjoy as good mad run about and will happily go with them on hiking holidays, but also seems sensible and loves a good snooze and cuddle and isn’t what I would class a a particularly ‘busy’ dog. I doubt one dog represents the whole breed though so worth a look and talk with breeders at crufts?

 

[[158444]]

If you want to go to crowded places a lot it is going to be difficult with two very big dogs on leads. I am far more limited in my outings now I have more dogs. That’s not answering your question though ?.
The amount of exercise your dog gets is a lot and any adult working breed would be happy with that. Is he a show or working goldie, that you have now?
Anyway I have no new breeds to add to your suggestions, good luck.

Theo is a duel purpose golden as I prefer more golden colour Golden's rather than creams his dad was a worker and mom was a show but he takes after his mom more he's definitely more show golden than worker , very easy going very chilled and laid back and loves dveryone

 

[[158444]]

I also feel I need to explain why I'm not fond on Labradors even though I know myself they tick everything.

It's because every lab I've met has been either very boisterous like way more than any golden I've known and Theo has been attacked by 3 labs , I know it's not the dogs fault but it is off putting and I just don't feel anything when I see a lab compared to other breeds

 

[Moobli]

I also feel I need to explain why I'm not fond on Labradors even though I know myself they tick everything.

It's because every lab I've met has been either very boisterous like way more than any golden I've known and Theo has been attacked by 3 labs , I know it's not the dogs fault but it is off putting and I just don't feel anything when I see a lab compared to other breeds

I think show bred Lab ticks all your boxes. Or LabxGR , even GRxGSD? GDBA breed the two crosses for their work so might be worth researching.

 

[[158444]]

I think show bred Lab ticks all your boxes. Or LabxGR , even GRxGSD? GDBA breed the two crosses for their work so might be worth researching.

My problem is I'm not a huge lab fan even though I know they suit my needs.

I'd also prefer a puppy just my preference so not sure I'll get a good GRxlab puppy from a breeder

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

Large munsterlander?

Very uncommon. Big show springer would be easier to find.

 

[[158444]]

Very uncommon. Big show springer would be easier to find.

I love springers their the ones I look forward to meeting such happy souls but nuts or at least the ones I meet are nuts no off switch and forever bouncing around and they are too much for Theo has he get fed up of them after awhile but they are all working lines the ones we meet I have never met a show line one ever they don't seem to be as popular as the workers or at least round here

Are showlines really much calmer than workers and would suit my requirements above?

They often get refered to as living with tigger but again it's the owners of workers who say this

 

[rara007]

Chessie?
Ridgeback?
Larger dog English pointer?
Curly coat?
Smooth collie?

 

[rara007]

Ps. You’re getting out over 2 hours a day, that’s way more than most working dogs will be getting (outside of work). Not all but most breeds can learn an off switch. Our working bred springers are very relaxed in the house, but way too small for you.
Depending on where you are there may be musterlanders about, I know more than I do show line springers (especially that are over 27kg). See what breeders you have locally, we have several ‘rare’ breeds bred in our village (different people, not a puppy farm!) so would actually be easier to find than a lab, who we don’t have a breeder of locally!

 

[Clodagh]

Very uncommon. Big show springer would be easier to find.

Even a show springer way smaller than OP is after. As I base weights on a Labrador and large male lab would be of the starter size range. (Knowing OP doesn’t want labs, it’s just a breed I know the weight of).