List of All LFG Stallions out there!

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i'd like to see as many Live Foal Guarantee stallions there are
not NFFR.
LFG.

i saw an ad on Wolkenderry saying he had LFG but on his site it's not stated, so who's accurate?
same for all of you who have stallions: do you have LFG? if not, why not?
i know Grafenstolz is on LFG. and San Amour as well but that's about it that i know.
if you have any suggestions please list!!
 
jcwh said:
i'd like to see as many Live Foal Guarantee stallions there are
not NFFR.
LFG.

i saw an ad on Wolkenderry saying he had LFG but on his site it's not stated, so who's accurate?
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Wolkenderry is indeed LFG (apologies that his site has not been updated - I will ask for it to be done) in the meantime if anyone would like the T&C's please email me at wolkenderry@me.com
 
My stallions Groomsbridge May I and American Agent are no live foal free return.
For mares visiting you dont pay a stud fee until mare is in foal either.
Im sure Future Illusion is LFG as well
 
ahh right i was assuming it was LFG 48hrs?
sorry i wasn't clearer.
so... are the above stallions LFG = continuing semen until live foal developes in utero OR
LFG 48hrs = stands + nurse?
 
In TB's LF 48hrs = stud fee is payable once the foal is born and is healthily 48hrs old. SLF 48hrs = stud fee is payable on Oct 1st (as is the norm in racing, unless like Shadwell it's Jan 1st of the year in which the foal will be born), but if the foal doesn't make it to 48hrs old, then the fee is refunded (sometimes minus a percentage, rare though).
 
Is LFG though that important? It is something to consider but as a mare owner I also want to know can I change mares for example if the mare will not get in foal or dies or is not compatible with that particular stallion?
Who wants to keep paying a collection fee, postage and vet fees for a continuing supply of semen and insemination if the mare isn't getting in foal or for a mare who will not hold in foal?

If I use a NFFR I would always ask the stallion owner the terms of the free return eg foal dies at birth or 48 hrs etc. I would also ask both LFG or NFFR can I swap mares. Depending on the exact terms and the stallion's quality of semen one may not be any better than the other.

The best deal is probably NFNF??
 
NFNF No foal no Fee.

I always tell mares owners that they can use a free return on another mare, and I would consider a large reduction in the stud fee on the LFG even if the foal did stand and feed, as I think the mare owner would have been through enough with loosing a foal, and I always offer reduced stud fees to returning mares anyway.
 
sallyf said:
LFG is usually you carry on getting semen until you get a live foal
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OK can you tell me if you charge for collection and postage on each batch of semen you send out for that mare?

Because if that is the case my stallion is also available LFG as I will supply semen to mare owners who have paid the stud free until their mare has foaled, but because he is collected away from home, I have to charge collection and postage each time.
 
Mares visiting the stud for covering/AI pay a stud fee when mare is scanned in foal with a heartbeat at which point we then go to no live foal free return.
We will swap mare and stallion if needs be as long as we own the stallion and try to be as flexible as we can.
Shipped semen is paid for up front and is no live foal free return again mare and/or stallion swap on negotiation.
Live foal would be for a week after birth or even longer is someone had some awful bad luck.
 
Same here CL I have been offering LFG since we started but have just always stated NFFR as always thought it meant the same thing.

I do ask for collection and post every time, except on term B where the stud fee upfront includes 1st collection and postage charged at cost. any further collections are charged after that.
 
ritajennings said:
Same here CL I have been offering LFG since we started but have just always stated NFFR as always thought it meant the same thing.

I do ask for collection and post every time, except on term B where the stud fee upfront includes 1st collection and postage charged at cost. any further collections are charged after that.
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Thanks Rita, I have always stated NFFR too thinking it was the same thing. My aim is for all mare owners wanting a foal by my stallion to end up with a baby at the end of it all.

Not sure what that is called :rolleyes:
 
Despite my stallion (Asterly Lilyfield) being young and with no stock on the ground until this summer. His terms are NLFFR - meaning no live foal free return.
The live foal is upto a week and because i have been on the other side (as a mare owner with a stud that didnt honor the agreed terms) i dare say on many occassions the live foal free return would go past the week if depending upon the cause of death - for a mare owner to go through getting a mare infoal, then the excitment of pregnancy, to loose the foal earlier on must be heartbreaking so i would want to minimise the upset as much as possible. Depending upon the suitability of another mare (mare herself and how she would match my stallion), i would certainly consider allowing the owner to use a different mare, as long as it was in their name/on breeding loan to them.

My stallion is licensed Weatherbys hence i dont at this stage have the AI/collection/postage issue to consider.
 
My guys terms used to be NFFR and I swapped the mare when there was a problem with the original mare.

Now I ask for the stud fee up front, however if the mare is not in foal by Oct 1st the owner would have 75% of the stud fee returned.

My guy is a walk in at Twemlows, his stud fee is 450 with concessions available. So, with the cost of diesel as it is I do ask the mare owner to make a contribution to my diesel if I have to return him for a second collection (although so far he has only been called on once for a return) as it probably costs me around 50/60 quid at the moment in diesel and 2 1/2 hours out of my day to take him for collection.

I have a competition horse who happens to be a stallion so, as with everyone else, the costs of registration and swabs each year, and the cost of getting to the stud seem to be constantly rising so I feel it is fair to retain 25% of the fee if by Oct 1st they weren't in foal as I have still had to cover the initial outlay. I also go out of my way to be as flexible as possible to my mare owners - to the extent that I may have to take my boy for collection on the morning of my wedding. So again I would hope that they wouldn't resent a token 25% being kept for all the work already put in.

If the mare owner would rather have NFFR as opposed to the 75% back then that would also be possible.

Luckily though all his foals have been norn healthy and we haven't had to face the problem.

Just flicked back over my message and think it may read a bit garbled!!
 
i wanted to know what No Foal Free Return is really about. One breeder has told me it's "if no live foal, the mare can return for free the next year." another has told me "if no live foal, the stud fee is returned in full to the owner (or a percentage, depending on agreement"

what, in your opinion is NFFR?

and also, what is your definition of Live Foal?
is it live Foetus with a heartbeat?
or is it standing on the ground next to it's mom?

again, i've of both so just trying to be clear...
 
My boy's terms are Live Healthy Foal Guarantee. No booking fee or deposit; stud fee only payable when the breeder has a live healthy foal. I wait until at least 2 weeks after the foal is born, to be absolutely sure it is perfectly healthy and thriving.

Obviously, breeders do have to pay the usual semen-collection/shipping fees charged by Cliveden or frozen shipping from Twemlows, but apart from that, they pay absolutely nothing until they have a healthy foal.

Mare owners are always surprised and delighted when I tell them that these are his terms, and I've never had any problems, so I suppose I must be doing something right!
 
I have to say it was something that i looked into when breeding last year so to all stallion owners make it very clear on your websites/stud cards exactly what your terms are.
 
As mentioned above Brendon Stud is LFG, 48hrs is the norm i believe! Though the mare must have been vaccinated EVH and foal must have had vet check, IGG etc.

I charge a collection fee and postage if sending semen out, [with some exceptions if I know the vet or AI centre are 100% competant, many are not.] No collection fee if mare is with me.
Stud fee is payable before semen is sent or before mare leaves stud.
I also do ask for a certificate from vet if mare slips or foal dies, I have unfortunately been stung by mare owners who say mare is empty, then hear on the jungle drum that said MO has a lovely foal!! I did check and they did on each occasion!!
 
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