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sorry longish rant.
i keep my horse on diy and share paddock with 2 other diy liveries.now one of the liveries who shares paddock owes me £200 so has agreed to do my muck picking to pay it back and the other livery is a waste of space.i got down to the yard last night and theres a big notice on the board saying-bert,hagen and silver have got to stay in till the field has been muck picked.the yard manager knows my arrangement with the livery who owes me the £200-its her daughter actually! and she knows my horse has to go out every day for health reasons.the waste of space livery has got no hay or straw and her horse has been stood on concrete for 2 days with no food or bedding and is saying she isnt doing the field,i dont see why i should do it as ive paid for it to be done and the livery who owes me the money says she gets barrow out everyday-but should be getting 2 out everyday.so now dont know what to do.yard manager has just said -no turnout till its done.oh dear.
 
I would be speaking to the YM. First of all what kind of YM lets her daughters horse stand in without straw or hay for two days?
 
I think I would be making an arrangement with the YM for her daughter to owe HER £200 rather than you, and poo pick the field yourself. What a strange carry on!
 
I'm with broke but happy (in more ways than one!!!!) Tell the livery that you are going to do her job as she is doing it herself and want the £200 in cash.

We have a rota at our yard - everyone has their own set day to do. This way you can either swap with someone when you are unavailable and you know if someone has not done their duty. We have a tick box on the noticeboard for "check water/poo pick/check fences" each time. So do jobs, tick boxes - simples!

Speak to the YO and tell them that you are NOT going to be punished for the other liveries not doing their job! Your horse is going out! Why don't you tell them all to come up, do it together - get the job done and then sit down and sort out that rota going forwards!
 
Quite frankly, I think I'd be looking for a new yard. It's totally unacceptable that the YO is letting a horse stand for 48 hours without food or bedding.
 
Another vote for a new yard, no way is the YM going to get their daughter to do her share of the poo-picking, been on a yard like that myself, seriously, chalk up the £200 to experience and get out of there
 
I would move yards without a doubt! The YM doesn't sound like she cares in the slightest.

With regards to the £200 you can keep trying to pester but it doesn't sound like you're going to get it back or you can forget about it and move on.

Alternatively I know a friend of mine sued someone via the small claims court as someone owed her a similar amount of money. She did it all online and it never actually went to court. She had evidence though that she'd lent the money and that the borrower agreed to repay her.
 
On our yard if you don't do your poo picking the YM does it and you get charged for it on your bill.

And it is completely out of order for the YO or YM to allow a horse to stand in a bare stable for 2 days without bedding or food - that is just cruel.
 
Agree with the others, what a dreadfully badly run yard! What kind of YO is ok for her own daughter to rack up a debt with you she can't pay, and not teach her the valuable life lesson of standing over her while she clears the paddock?! You are her paying client, for goodness' sake! As for the horse standing in a bare stable I am horrified.

Poo picking in shared fields is always a nightmare in my experience. At my last yard it caused awful trauma. I think perhaps a lot of people simply do not understand WHY it is necessary to do it. I was in a field with the laziest bunch of morons you'd ever hope to meet, I just made it my Sunday thing to go right through and clear the field, barrow after barrow. My friends thought I was mad but for me it was a nice therapeutic way to spend a few hours (yes odd like that) and the alternative was to get really wound up.

In fact, one livery at my last yard got so obsessed by her fieldmates not pulling their weight, she would rant constantly about it and once even took a full barrow of muck out of the field and emptied it in the livery's stable who she deemed was never doing it. Thought that was bang out of order as poor horse was in there but my point is, there's no point letting it frustrate you to that point.

Totally agree with skint1, cut your losses and move, sounds a hole. xxx
 
I was in a similar position at the beginning of the year. The 2 liveries i shared with never went down. It was up to me to poo pick, put hay in field and check on them. all around working 50 hours a week! The YO said as long as the liveries were paying their rent she didnt care if they didnt come down or not!! It was DIY yet the other liveries were having their horses looked after for them and no payiong me to do any of it. I left and have never looked back. No point having horses if you can accept having to do the dirty work too!

But more to the point, im disgusted that the YM has let that horse stay in for 2 days with no food or bedding (i'm assuming it actually has water!!) like others have said, i'd do it myself and demand the money off the livery that owes you money. and then i would start looking for somewhere else!
 
i am looking for another yard.its just gone down hill and off the scale since yard managers 2 daughters on benefits and all these kids turned up.her daughter owes me £200 and is on benefits and this is only way i can get it back.i leant her the money to buy a horse that was going to be pts cos owners couldnt afford it.i just dont know where else to go with my 2 ponies.
 
Iwouldnt worry too much about her being on benefits, my mate gets a grand a month in benefits!!!
Go do it yourself, turn all three hosss out and dump the other liveries muck in their stables :)
 
I would also be contacting your local council - they have some responsibility for livestock/horses because of a yard being a business, and I am sure they would be very interested to find out how badly that yard is being run. I bet there are a whole host of things that the YM would not want them to find out about, such as insurance, business rates etc. Your YM needs a kick up the backside to sort out the mess, and I don't know how she can live with herself actually - how can she leave a horse in for 2 days without food and bedding?! That is an offence.
 
Don't worry about her being on benefits. I work in "benefits" and my "clients" get more money than me - I work full time and they sit on their arses all day smoking and drinking.
As for the poo picking, it's the same on every yard you go to. I have one mare and one gelding, so they are in two separate fields. The mare owners pick regularly - there are only three of us currently using that field and we often go in and do it while we're gossiping. The gelding owners are a bit more of a nightmare. They think that if they get one barrow out a week it's enough. There is only one other gelding owner who does it as much as I do - the others are just lazy.
But if I were you, I would move. Your yard sounds like a complete joke!
 
Holly Hocks said:
Don't worry about her being on benefits. I work in "benefits" and my "clients" get more money than me - I work full time and they sit on their arses all day smoking and drinking.
As for the poo picking, it's the same on every yard you go to. I have one mare and one gelding, so they are in two separate fields. The mare owners pick regularly - there are only three of us currently using that field and we often go in and do it while we're gossiping. The gelding owners are a bit more of a nightmare. They think that if they get one barrow out a week it's enough. There is only one other gelding owner who does it as much as I do - the others are just lazy.
But if I were you, I would move. Your yard sounds like a complete joke!
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Lol.. can you answer this then as its been bothering me.

My friend gets over a grand benefits, thats before you take into account the money she gets for her house etc. She got a job this weekend (that girl could fall in a slurrypit and come out smelling of chanel no5) but because its only 24 hours she still doesnt get a drop in her benefits...
her OH only works 3 days a week so that doesnt affect her benefits and im pretty sure he gets his own too...
grrr.
 
ThePinkPony said:
Lol.. can you answer this then as its been bothering me.

My friend gets over a grand benefits, thats before you take into account the money she gets for her house etc. She got a job this weekend (that girl could fall in a slurrypit and come out smelling of chanel no5) but because its only 24 hours she still doesnt get a drop in her benefits...
her OH only works 3 days a week so that doesnt affect her benefits and im pretty sure he gets his own too...
grrr.
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Well I work in the Housing Benefit side - if she has got a job which invariably means her income has gone up, then her HB should definitely go down. It may be that she just hasn't told the relevant authorities. Maybe a call to your local council's benefit fraud department might be in order...it sounds like she's spinning you a line - generally the rule is - Income up - Benefits down...
 
Do it yourself, withhold your livery money and tell her you have taken what's owed you. YO can then get the money from her daughter
 
Move in to a different field with different sharers.
Or move yards.
If the yard owner won't see your point if view and won't make the other two do it. I wouldn't stay.

Also isn't the YO going to do something about the horse that is basically sharving at her yard.
 
At those who are slagging off people on benefits - it is a miserable existence. As a single parent I was better off with a crap shop job than being on benefits, so don't believe the bullshit you read in tabloids about 'benefit scroungers' having plenty of money please. That money wont all go to the recipient, most of that will be housing benefit and council tax benefit, and there is no room for spare money on benefits.

And the point of the thread - OP, I suggest you just move yards if this cannot be resolved. You should not have to do work that other people should be doing,having a horse is supposed to be fun, if it becomes anything but fun then you should take action to remedy that.
 
KazzOnAPiano said:
At those who are slagging off people on benefits - it is a miserable existence. As a single parent I was better off with a crap shop job than being on benefits, so don't believe the bullshit you read in tabloids about 'benefit scroungers' having plenty of money please. That money wont all go to the recipient, most of that will be housing benefit and council tax benefit, and there is no room for spare money on benefits.
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lol, i wish. all my mates on benefits drive nice cars, live in nice ish houses (pity about the area) go out on the town regularly, brand new trainers every week, top brand clothing, have Xboxes, flatscreens, Iphones, you name it!

This freind im talking about got her HA house (but its not a council house apparently:rolleyes:) and within the week had it furnished, brand new carpetting throughout... and got subsidised for it, shes got a 6 month old, its really not fair!

im not on benefits... im poor!
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the pony that was just put in the stable without food or bedding has just this afternoon been boxed and tacken somewhere else by the owners,ive found another yard up the road,given my months notice but not paying the livery as per the contract.so im out of there-THANK GOD.
 
OP - glad you have got it sorted and feel better about the situation!

PinkPony - If that is true (and I can't understand why anyone would want new trainers every week!), then this person must be running up huge debts not paying bills and possibly putting purchases on credit cards. Unless she is secretly also working, it is simply not possible to have a lavish lifestyle on benefits!
 
KazzOnAPiano said:
OP - glad you have got it sorted and feel better about the situation!

PinkPony - If that is true (and I can't understand why anyone would want new trainers every week!), then this person must be running up huge debts not paying bills and possibly putting purchases on credit cards. Unless she is secretly also working, it is simply not possible to have a lavish lifestyle on benefits!
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her bills get paid for. so do my mums, another scrounger. winds me up so much.
 
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