Follysmum
Well-Known Member
Personal choice I suppose but I wouldn’t take the chance, yesterday has shown how easily tragic situations can happen.
Liverpool horse show fire
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ycbm
Overwhelmed
Certainly, accidents happen, but there was more chance of the house burning down if they had been left at home than of a multi storey car park going up in flames.
windand rain
Well-Known Member
friend has over 20 show dogs if her house burnt down it would be a tragedy they live in the house some are puppies who could cause a fire by chewing through wires etc. Dog shows usually have lots of dogs left in parked cars a which in this instance would amount to the same or alongside parked cars. Sad as it would be if any have lost their lives we will likely never know but thankfully no person or horse was injured. Fire is such a rare occurance now it would never enter my head that this sort of thing could happen. Not that I would leave my dog in the car as she hates cars so would be at home with a dog walker she knows taking her out but every time you leave a dog at all it is possible it can come to harm
Kat
Well-Known Member
A private group has been set up on facebook for those who have lost cars. It is called "car owners Liverpool echo nye fire" nothing to do with me, I have just requested to join.
Tiddlypom
Carries on creakily
It is likely that the car park will have to be demolished.
Kat (and others), I'm sorry that you lost your car. Folk are reporting that their insurance companies are requiring the registration number and ownership details of the car (reported to be an old landrover) which caught fire first and started the blaze.
Kat (and others), I'm sorry that you lost your car. Folk are reporting that their insurance companies are requiring the registration number and ownership details of the car (reported to be an old landrover) which caught fire first and started the blaze.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
Yes I had heard that, I think because it is either that or it is a drivers fault claim if no one to blame and claim it off otherwise. As there are photos of that car alight presumably there are pictures from the cctv to identify it.
Looks like afew on the end might be ok but don't imagine it's going to be easy to get anything down.
Looks like afew on the end might be ok but don't imagine it's going to be easy to get anything down.
madamebonnie
Well-Known Member
Our insurance wasn't bothered about getting the other cars details. I would be surprised if everyone can claim off one car. Feel awful for whoever owned that car though! Not what you would expect to happen!
SEL
Well-Known Member
Especially as its unlikely they'll ever find out what caused the car to burst into flames - I cannot believe how much destruction there was. Very sorry to hear about your car and that of the others who were there, but I guess its incredibly lucky there was no loss of life.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
From an insurance point of view does it matter to know what caused it?
I was surprised that it mattered to but only going off the run ins people seem to be having with their insurance companies.
I was surprised that it mattered to but only going off the run ins people seem to be having with their insurance companies.
Honey08
Waffled a lot!
It matters to the insurance companies because they can take your no claims bonus off you next year if there is nobody to blame, so they can charge you more. Rotters!
I just saw the Liverpool fire brigade saying they may have been able to put it out a few years ago, but now there are so few engines available things like this will happen more often. It's quite worrying, like the London towerblock, you just don't expect things like this to happen in this day and age.
I just saw the Liverpool fire brigade saying they may have been able to put it out a few years ago, but now there are so few engines available things like this will happen more often. It's quite worrying, like the London towerblock, you just don't expect things like this to happen in this day and age.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
yes but does it matter what caused the car to burst into flames? on the basis we know no one else was there so the car just caught fire, does it matter which bit that was mechanically rather than the information that it did being enough.
ycbm
Overwhelmed
From what I've read, I don't think this is correct. The problem was not the number of appliances available, it was the number sent as a first response.
Happy to be corrected if you can point me to the Fire Service quote?
Kat
Well-Known Member
I am plrased to report that my insurance have required nothing more than the incident number from me and have already paid out. Can't believe how easy it has been.
I am still vastly out of pocket between the contents of the car and the excess etc but i am better off than many.
As i understand it there were enough fire crews available, but the fite wasn't detected until already quite established then when fire crews arrived they faced problems getting enough water on the right place and had insufficient foam for a fire of the size.
The car park had full CCTV and 24hr security but no one spotted the fire and raised the alarm. There were no sprinklers, no dry risers and insufficient tapping in points. For several hours all the fire service could do was protect neighbouring buildings.
I am still vastly out of pocket between the contents of the car and the excess etc but i am better off than many.
As i understand it there were enough fire crews available, but the fite wasn't detected until already quite established then when fire crews arrived they faced problems getting enough water on the right place and had insufficient foam for a fire of the size.
The car park had full CCTV and 24hr security but no one spotted the fire and raised the alarm. There were no sprinklers, no dry risers and insufficient tapping in points. For several hours all the fire service could do was protect neighbouring buildings.
ester
Not slacking multitasking
I wondered about the dry risers. The no one spotted seems a bit odd when there is a photo of just the bonnet of that vehicle alight- if you took that picture in isolation you'd have thought a couple of extinguishers and jobs a good 'un... though having watched a torched car go from nothing to fully alight in seconds I also understand how that picture probably gives a skewed impression of the problem. Someone else did say (can't remember who or where!) that security thought they had it under control but it went again.
I'm so pleased you have been able to get fairly sorted and hope you didn't lose anything too important, so many of us keep so much in our cars these days.
I'm so pleased you have been able to get fairly sorted and hope you didn't lose anything too important, so many of us keep so much in our cars these days.
Honey08
Waffled a lot!
J
I'm pretty sure they said it on the north west news both tonight and last night, They were saying they have about three hundred less firemen than they did a few years ago and less engines. They were also saying it will become a more frequent issue. I can't quote, I'm not technical like that, but that's what I and hubby understood.
I'm pretty sure they said it on the north west news both tonight and last night, They were saying they have about three hundred less firemen than they did a few years ago and less engines. They were also saying it will become a more frequent issue. I can't quote, I'm not technical like that, but that's what I and hubby understood.
Honey08
Waffled a lot!
Someone on last night's local news (NW) was interviewed saying they did spot the fire and couldn't find any extinguishers or alarms.
PS, very glad you've got a helpful/efficient insurance company. I've heard of others struggling with theirs. Must be a relief.
Honey08
Waffled a lot!
The news is just on again, the mayor of Liverpool is saying there were only two initial response engines available. He wants a review of numbers.
ycbm
Overwhelmed
Are you sure that he is saying there were only two available, because in the news I'm reading and hearing it is only two sent. Which is the standard response for a fire where there isn't any immediate danger to life, I think.
Since 12 vehicles eventually fought the blaze it seems highly unlikely that only two vehicles were available.
I see that the local Labour Mayor is tweeting that cuts are to blame, but googling it I can't find any statement from the Head of the Fire Service to support the Mayor's claim that two years ago eight vehicles would have been first response to a car ablaze in a car park.
If they are short of money for fire services in the general area then maybe they needn't have spent millions of pounds building a 'state of the art, architect's wet dream of a centre at Lymm, which will be exceptionally expensive to maintain, to house a fire station and a huge 'learning zone' just to teach children not to play with electricity.
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ycbm
Overwhelmed
There are far fewer than there used to be because there are far fewer fires than there used to be. People would be surprised if they researched how few fires the average fire fighter deals with in one year, and most of those will be tiny domestic fires which are usually out before they even get there.
ycbm
Overwhelmed
There is at least one, often two, fire appliances stationed at most of the locations shown in this map. It is not conceivable that all those appliances were fighting fires elsewhere at the same time. There were more than two available,,surely, but there were only two sent.
http://www.merseyfire.gov.uk/aspx/pages/maps/maps.aspx
http://www.merseyfire.gov.uk/aspx/pages/maps/maps.aspx
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AShetlandBitMeOnce
Well-Known Member
I am happy that at least that part of the whole process has made things easier for you.
Could I ask which insurer you are with? Mine is up for renewal and the reviews online are bad for every company as people love to have a go at insurers, which makes it difficult.