Liverpool Sarcoid Treatment about to start - what should I expect?

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My TB has developed 2 verrucous and 1 nodular sarcoids, all small at the moment but are growing albeit slowly. Had my vet out who took pics and sent them off to Liverpool. Liverpool came back to us yesterday recommending 2 types of cream that will administered by my vet 4 times in a row, every other day. It looks like the treatment will start next week. I feel really quite bad about it! It is definitely necessary as one of the sarcoids will be rubbed by girth if it grows more. I am obviously worried about how he will react to the treatment. I am really concerned about the little one on his chest as I think once this starts to have cream on, he won't be able to wear a rug. It's been down to 3 and 4C the last two nights!
Some good vibes and any advice from those of you who have been through this would be very gratefully received!! Ooh and please let me know if you are feeding any immune system building supplements or anything else that seems to be helping for that matter!
Thank you xx
 
tom had 3 treated last summer. no sign of 2 of them now, and the 3rd one is just a ruffled bit of hair that doesn't lie flat. Massive improvement.
we fed nothing extra to build the immune system
they looked sore but he didn't mind you poking the are so I don't think they were, and the whole lot improved within 6 weeks from the last treatment.
the one on Toms chest was too low to be affected by rugs, if in doubt ask you vet if you can treat that one next summer.
 
jenhunt said:
tom had 3 treated last summer. no sign of 2 of them now, and the 3rd one is just a ruffled bit of hair that doesn't lie flat. Massive improvement.
we fed nothing extra to build the immune system
they looked sore but he didn't mind you poking the are so I don't think they were, and the whole lot improved within 6 weeks from the last treatment.
the one on Toms chest was too low to be affected by rugs, if in doubt ask you vet if you can treat that one next summer.
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Oh that's good to know. Did your horse mind cream being applied? I think claiming on the insurance will be the issue for putting off doing the one on his chest until next summer but I will discuss with my vet and see what he thinks
 
I had the treatment last year, it got rid of two but the third is a very bloody, raw golf ball sized mess. I'm too thick to post the pictures but if someone talks me through it I shall. The vet's got bored with me wittering so I've started the horse on a course of Sarc-Ex. Watch this space.
You might have better luck.
 
Doncella said:
I had the treatment last year, it got rid of two but the third is a very bloody, raw golf ball sized mess. I'm too thick to post the pictures but if someone talks me through it I shall. The vet's got bored with me wittering so I've started the horse on a course of Sarc-Ex. Watch this space.
You might have better luck.
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Sounds nasty. What size was it when it was treated? I was tempted to try Sarc Ex but then was scared off by Prof Knottenbelt saying don't dabble in various treatments! I'll be really interested to hear how you get on with it
 
My horse appeared to get sarcoids on his sheath which he managed to kick out :S it left a massive hole. We treated and it healed they began spreading so used Global herbs Sarc-ex feed supplement and havent seen any signs of any since and the ones that began growing have since vanished!
 
mine has just started his treatment literally 15 mins ago. It's being done again tomorrow and then i think saturday and monday. He didn't mind the cream going on and it's right next to his eye but it will be interesting to see how he is the next few days.

My other horse had a massive one on his sheath when i bought him and he actually had to have the cream injected into the sarcoid so he had to be heavily sedated and he had to have bute. the treatments were much more spaced out but it was touch wood very successful, 4 years on all he has is a crease, i think it took a couple of months for the sarcoid to drop off.
 
Our vets don't like treating in the summer because of the flies....

My mare had one on her belly and the vet put a sticky dressing plaster thing on it so she could wear her rug. After a couple of hours the cream will have been absorbed so you could put a rug on it. Perhaps book the appointments in the morning, then you could rug overnight no problem.
 
My old lad had the AW4 creams for some of his sarcoids, one was a particularly nasty nodular one, about the size of a golf ball, on his leg. He didnt mind the treatment at all and i even continued to ride throughout as didn't interfere with tack areas. He was on a bute per day whilst treatment was going on but nothing else. I didn't try and other feed supplements as, to be honest, i'm sceptical as to how much they can help what essentially is a skin cancer. The sarcoid will start to look much worse before it looks better and takes a few months to drop off & go completely but it will go :)
I had them treated during the summer as the risk of the flies spreading them over the rest of his body if not treated was very high. Is he a particularly thin skinned TB? My girls are back out now ( one full TB, the other 3/4 TB) rugless at night, it's been about 5C here so not quite 3 and 4C but they're both coming back in warm. If they're cold they'll eat more or walk around & soon warm up. If the rug will rub the area he should be ok for a few days without i would think?
I bet Professor Knottenbelt has already told you/your vet this but don't use any other creams on the sarcoids, especially things like Camrosa, tea tree or Aloe Vera. They can potentially make things 100x worse.
Good luck with his treatment. Hope all goes well :)
 
have used it with sucess aswell :) definatley worth it

eta - the sarcoid it got rid of was just behind his girth - eg couldnt put a stud girth on as it would irritate/rub... he now wears stud girths etc...
 
my friend had her horse treated with the Liverpool cream his sarcoid was in the elbow area and one on the side of his neck.
After the first few applications of the cream he became more and more uncomfortable with it. the main problem was that the cream had spread with the movement of his leg ( walking around stable) and then burnt the good skin he had a thick nasty looking scab the size if a saucer ( im not exaggerating) which took a very long time to drop off ( when it eventually did all the sarcoid was gone) the same with the one treated on his neck it took ages for the scab to drop off but looked good underneath.
i think you need to be very patient as removing the scabs before they're ready can aggravate the healing process as the cream carries on working on the skin cells under the scab.
the horse was then sold and two years later there isn't even a scar. but bear in mind once you've had this treatment on you insurance they wont pay again.

the professor said if you think of sarcoids as skin cancer which in effect they are. if you had cancer you wouldn't go to boots and buy something to treat it over the counter so with that in mind i don't hold out much hope for the many sarcoid supplement/creams on the market.
some people have said they've worked but have they really had a sarcoid in the first place ???
 
good luck. my boy had about 6 treated one large verrucose one on his inner thigh and the others nodular small ones on sheath and just in front of sheath. the thigh one needed 2 courses of treatments and took ages to drop away but when it did it left a clean cavity which healed well the others went really quickly . he was on bute during treatment and swelled up ++ around his sheath, he also needed sedating to be done but the vet was treating just inside his back legs and it was very sore and he is very thinned skinned and delicate. an alternative remedy had been tried just before we got him and having been stable for years the sarcoid suddenly doubled in size and opened up raw and bleeding after this was tried - nothing like that happened with liverpool cream. he has been sarcoid free for 4 years now. hope it goes well.
 
My horse has got what the vet thinks could be a sarcoid in his ear, but said can't be sure without sending photos to Liverpool. The vet didn't want to start any treatment till the winter because of flies. So I would be very grateful if you could keep me posted on how the cream works for you.
 
kirstyl said:
Sounds nasty. What size was it when it was treated? I was tempted to try Sarc Ex but then was scared off by Prof Knottenbelt saying don't dabble in various treatments! I'll be really interested to hear how you get on with it
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A small nodule like a pea. As I say if Icould get the before and after shots on I would do.
 
kirstyl said:
My TB has developed 2 verrucous and 1 nodular sarcoids, all small at the moment but are growing albeit slowly. Had my vet out who took pics and sent them off to Liverpool. Liverpool came back to us yesterday recommending 2 types of cream that will administered by my vet 4 times in a row, every other day. It looks like the treatment will start next week. I feel really quite bad about it! It is definitely necessary as one of the sarcoids will be rubbed by girth if it grows more. I am obviously worried about how he will react to the treatment. I am really concerned about the little one on his chest as I think once this starts to have cream on, he won't be able to wear a rug. It's been down to 3 and 4C the last two nights!
Some good vibes and any advice from those of you who have been through this would be very gratefully received!! Ooh and please let me know if you are feeding any immune system building supplements or anything else that seems to be helping for that matter!
Thank you xx
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My horse just finished having it friday and I was told it will swell,get bigger then probebly drop off.We shall see!!!!
 
Our mare was treated for 2 last year.One between her forelegs and the other inside her off-hind. She wasnt bothered by the treatment and touch wood they have both gone. We are now feeding her Sarc-ex so hopefully she'll get no more.
 
My horse started a treatment regime from Prof Knottenbelt on Monday, starting off with an anti-viral gel which I am applying twice a day for 7 days, and followed by the Liverpool cream for another 7 days, applied by the vet. My boy has 3 small verrucose sarcoids, all in pretty awkward places! - one on his cheek, another on his muzzle and a third between his front legs; the two on his face are going to be pretty tricky to treat because of the risk of him rubbing them as they become irritated by the cream. The Liverpool cream itself sounds like pretty nasty stuff, and there's a worry that if he rubs it off it'll ulcerate the healthy skin he's rubbed it onto. TBH I was a bit concerned about it all! - but looking at the replies here it's looks quite positive, most horses seem to have coped really well with the cream and on the whole it sounds like a good option...best of luck to you!
 
Thank you so much everyone for your support and interest, I really appreciate it! It is worrying knowing you are going to pu them through what could be quite an unpleasant treatment, but that it's necessary if I want to continue riding him, which of course I do.
Apparently Prof Knottenbelt has prescribed two types of cream - don't know yet if that is the same as yours CAH7. I have been quoted approx £560, and about £100 more if he has to be sedated. Thank goodness he is insured! I will let you know how treatment goes. In fact I will try to be really clever and take pictures before and at different stages of treatment.
Those of you feeding Sarc-Ex - would love to know how you get on!
Thank you again, I will let you know how we are getting on
K xx
 
Blaise said:
My old lad had the AW4 creams for some of his sarcoids, one was a particularly nasty nodular one, about the size of a golf ball, on his leg. He didnt mind the treatment at all and i even continued to ride throughout as didn't interfere with tack areas. He was on a bute per day whilst treatment was going on but nothing else. I didn't try and other feed supplements as, to be honest, i'm sceptical as to how much they can help what essentially is a skin cancer. The sarcoid will start to look much worse before it looks better and takes a few months to drop off & go completely but it will go :)
I had them treated during the summer as the risk of the flies spreading them over the rest of his body if not treated was very high. Is he a particularly thin skinned TB? My girls are back out now ( one full TB, the other 3/4 TB) rugless at night, it's been about 5C here so not quite 3 and 4C but they're both coming back in warm. If they're cold they'll eat more or walk around & soon warm up. If the rug will rub the area he should be ok for a few days without i would think?
I bet Professor Knottenbelt has already told you/your vet this but don't use any other creams on the sarcoids, especially things like Camrosa, tea tree or Aloe Vera. They can potentially make things 100x worse.
Good luck with his treatment. Hope all goes well :)
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Thank you! I have had several people tell me to use Camrosa and how they have had such good results. I am not one to mess with things I don't know too much about. I reckon that Prof Knottenbelt has researched this to a far higher level than most of us and happy to go with his recommendation of treatment
 
Both of my horses were treated. It worked fantastically,and both sarcoids have gone leaving little scars. At first the sarcoid broke and became a little bloody and sore,we were advised to put vaseline round the edges to prevent damaging good skin.my mare was sensitive and didnt like it being put on though. Eventually there was a scab which dropped off.Good luck :)
 
Prof Derek 'Nut & bolt' is the best person to deal with sarcoids.
He has fully researched them and will know exactly what works and what wont.
Your horse couldn't be in better hands.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.:)
 
RoseGrey said:
Prof Derek 'Nut & bolt' is the best person to deal with sarcoids.
He has fully researched them and will know exactly what works and what wont.
Your horse couldn't be in better hands.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.:)
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Thank you so much, I will be in touch! Have bought a huge pot of Vaseline from Superdrug so am well equipped xx
 
My mare had one treated a few years ago. It did look sore but its gone and she is left with a small scar. It was definately worth it. I cant get onto photobucket at the mo but I think I have some pictures. If you would like a look pm me and I will send them when it is up and running again. The sarcoid fell out from the roots and healed from the inside.

I would have them all done at once. Im sure your horse will survive for a week or so without a rug.
 
nat1003 said:
My mare had one treated a few years ago. It did look sore but its gone and she is left with a small scar. It was definately worth it. I cant get onto photobucket at the mo but I think I have some pictures. If you would like a look pm me and I will send them when it is up and running again. The sarcoid fell out from the roots and healed from the inside.

I would have them all done at once. Im sure your horse will survive for a week or so without a rug.
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My thinking exactly! Treatment starts on Monday so I'll keep you posted x
 
RoseGrey said:
Any news ??????
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Yes! Thank you for thinking of us.

Charlie has had cream applied Mon, Wed and Fri this week and has been very good having it applied. After treatment on Monday, the tiny nodular one on his chest swelled quickly to the size of a large walnut and wept down his chest so cleared that up and applied more Vaseline. On Wednesday, he managed to wipe cream onto his nose which despite it having been greased, left him with bleached patches on his nose. They don't seem sore but did feel bad! Yesterday, I discussed the my vet the problem of him removing the cream himself and he said I could tie him short for half an hour after treatment. This is what I did - tied him short with a haynet to distract him for 40 mins. The effect of the cream has been more pronounced on the one on his chest and the one just above his off side stifle, in fact the one near his stifle had quite a lot of swelling on either side. I've given him a Danilon last night and this morning as he certainly seems more tender. It is sod's law that the one near his elbow and girth seems to be the one that is not reacting massively, but perhaps it is just taking its time. The vet warned me prior to treatment starting that this one might be messy as it's on a vein and he might end up having to suture it if there is a lot of bleeding. But so far, nothing!
Final planned treatment is on Monday so I presum thn that if my vet is not happy about the progress of any of the sarcoids, he will go back to Prof Knottenbelt and ask how to proceed.

Haven't ridden for 6 days now and feels very weird! I've even managed to clean a bit of the house and do some gardening. Fingers crossed, Charlie makes a swift recovery, I'm missing being on board and would be terrible to become too much of a domestic goddess!
 
Its good that there is a reaction to the cream.
When the Prof treated my lad he just put a tiny band around the sarcoid, injected it with something and a week later, it dropped off, leaving a tiny white line scar. My lads was between his back legs, just where they get sweaty and rub together, it started as a tiny pimple when he was 2 and grew steady. I have never regretted it being removed.
You really are in the best hands with Prof Derek at Leahurst.
Hope the girth/elbow one reacts soon and goes away so you don't get too used to doing housework !
Keep the updates coming !!!
 
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