Livery yard has barb wire fencing

[ycbm]

ycbm! If people/organisations intend to operate a livery yard then everything should be put in place to ensure the horses and liveries safety before opening. If they are unable to finance this then they should not be allowed to operate. It is about time that livery yards have to comply with national legislation and standards.

I don't consider barbed wire lined a metre away with electric to be especially unsafe, and I would not appreciate anyone telling me that I couldn't livery my horse in a stable with it should I choose to do so. There is no legislation or national standard that prevents the use of barbed wire.
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[Goldenstar]

I would use my own electric fence to fence the horses away from it .If everything else about the yard is right it’s worth it.
I would use a all in one solar system to power the fence they are really easy to use .I got one in the summer as it was cheaper than getting power across the drive I am so impressed with it .

 

[ycbm]

I know a horse that ran into post and railings and had a terminal injury.
All fencing has risks, it's just being aware, knowing that animals are unpredictable and minimising these risks, but accepting 'accidents' do happen.

You are so right!

My first horse, as I said above, was a fraction away from being lost to a barbed wire injury. Another caused serious damage to another horse by kicking it through a post and rail fence. A third had a GA to stitch up a stab wound on the inner thigh from a stick which was part of a hedge. A fourth was lucky to escape serious injury running through a stone wall. i once rescued a livery caught by the heel of his shoe knee high on plain wire.

 

[ycbm]

The wall! He wanted to come in. He scratched a fetlock, the wall was not so lucky.

 

[Snow Falcon]

And a pony I know had a nasty puncture wound having had an arguement with a electric fencing post. There are risks with any type of fencing. If well maintained then that lessens but we all know that accidents can and will happen.

 

[Caol Ila]

I knew one who degloved her leg getting tangled in an electric rope fence and had to be put down.

Need to surround our paddocks and fields with heavy duty padding.

 

[ycbm]

I knew one who degloved her leg getting tangled in an electric rope fence and had to be put down.

Need to surround our paddocks and fields with heavy duty padding.

I went to a drag meet at Manton Stud once. They do! Mind, the foals were worth millions

 

[Wizardsnecklace]

I know a horse that ran into post and railings and had a terminal injury.
All fencing has risks, it's just being aware, knowing that animals are unpredictable and minimising these risks, but accepting 'accidents' do happen.

 

[Wizardsnecklace]

Many years ago, in fact over half a century ! , the NF stud I worked on had lost a yearling when the plain wire fence snapped and the wire wrapped around her neck . Also the NF stud in my local village rescued a heavily in foal mare late one night with half a wooden post impaled in her side. The vet. who removed it thought she would lose her foal, but next morning she had a lovely filly.

 

[w1bbler]

Spent years on a livery yard that had very badly maintained barbed wire fencing, several rugs got injured, but I never saw a serious horse injury from the wire.
I moved yards due to the state of the fencing (amongst other things). New yard was surrounded with post & rail fencing. A fellow liveries horse ma aged to run through a rail & impail itself ( survived but it took months)
You can worry about everything, but need to weigh up what's most important.
Fwiw, I'd just electric fence inside the barbed wire.

 

[webble]

ycbm! If people/organisations intend to operate a livery yard then everything should be put in place to ensure the horses and liveries safety before opening. If they are unable to finance this then they should not be allowed to operate. It is about time that livery yards have to comply with national legislation and standards.

In an ideal world yes but sadly that's not where we live and horses and livery yards have to be affordable in order to keep horses. If electric fencing off barbed wire is cheaper than refencing then so be it

 

[Jenko109]

I dont mind barbed wire, however the description of it being ankle height scares me.

 

[sport horse]

I know of several horses that have been killed with post and rail fencing. I have heard of one or two really nasty cheese cutter type injuries with plain wire. I have had a horse trap a leg in pig netting - luckily we were able to cut it out no harm. I have seen many cuts with barbed wire but nothing that could not be pieced back together again. Where there is live stock there is dead stock and horses have only one wish from birth onwards and that is to kill themselves.

 

[Sossigpoker]

In some countries barbed wire is banned for containing animals, for a good reason.
If I want to look at a yard and it had barbed wire fencing, and no explanation was offered and no electric tape put in front of it, I doubt I'd want to go somewhere where safety isn't a concern.

 

[blitznbobs]

You are so right!

My first horse, as I said above, was a fraction away from being lost to a barbed wire injury. Another caused serious damage to another horse by kicking it through a post and rail fence. A third had a GA to stitch up a stab wound on the inner thigh from a stick which was part of a hedge. A fourth was lucky to escape serious injury running through a stone wall. i once rescued a livery caught by the heel of his shoe knee high on plain wire.

i know a horse that cut an artery in his face on a thorn from a hawthorne hedge — no fencing is perfect and a lack of robust fencing is much more dangerous

 

[ponynutz]

If it’s a slow process could you explain horse is a liability and insurance doesn’t cover and ask to be one of the first to move into a field with the new fencing?

 

[Ahrena]

I would put an inner fence up.
I did that with mine when I was on livery in a place with barbed wire. Cost me a fortune as the field was 5 acres or so but I slept better at night.

Incidentally; I know two horses who lost their lives due to stock fencing. Those squares are just the perfect size to put a foot through…One broke its leg; one cut the back of its pastern and severed all the tendons/ligaments.

 

[tristar]

i think its barbaric to put horses in fields with barbed wire, because sooner or later.....

i hate post and rail and that rope stuff

its not intended for horses that wire, its to stop cattle who will rub up fencing and knock down the posts

 

[PeterNatt]

This is the fencing that works for me. Post and Rail with Equi-Fencing attached to prevent dogs getting in and also horses kicking through the fence line.

 

[Auslander]

This is the fencing that works for me. Post and Rail with Equi-Fencing attached to prevent dogs getting in and also horses kicking through the fence line.

How much did that cost you, per metre, erected?

 

[MiJodsR2BlinkinTite]

See the only thing I dislike about that fencing above is the fact that the squared bits go right down to the ground; my daft mare has caught her feet in that type of fencing in the past - luckily she's a sensible little girly and didn't panic, just stood there - but it would never be my choice as equine fencing, not ever.

 

[Red-1]

This is the fencing that works for me. Post and Rail with Equi-Fencing attached to prevent dogs getting in and also horses kicking through the fence line.
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Whereas I would not like that fencing for shod horses, as I can see how easily the wire could catch between the hoof and shoe. Also, I would prefer the wire to be closer to the horse than the rail as, if they kick the squares near a rail, it will allow a hoof between the mesh and rail. Ouch.

Our outer fencing is post and rail with a top of rope, and another rope above that, so they can't get heads over.

The fencing between the paddocks is round post with a single wood rail and electric rope. The rope has break points in so, if they get tangled, it breaks. Both types are on this photo, as is the gate which I don't like as the rails could trap a leg!

 

[ycbm]

This is the fencing that works for me. Post and Rail with Equi-Fencing attached to prevent dogs getting in and also horses kicking through the fence line.
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I wouldn't want that wire down to the floor and I wouldn't want a bare top rail, that would soon be eaten in a livery stable.

Tannalised post and rail and buried? badger/lamb proof fencing. Pleased to see you aren't short of a bob or two as well, Peter.
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[doodle]

No fencing is safe. I kept my horse for 13 years on a farm. Each fence had a line of barbed wire along the top. Some rugs were ripped but that was it.

I then lost a horse after he ripped his foot off in *safe* equine fencing.

 

[doodle]

In the case that started this thread I would take the hit and put up my own electric fencing inside the barbed wire fence.

 

[Roasted Chestnuts]

This is the fencing that works for me. Post and Rail with Equi-Fencing attached to prevent dogs getting in and also horses kicking through the fence line.
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My youngster would have that destroyed fairly quickly by either eating it, pulling the rails Off and or rubbing on it so that the rails break and the posts break or move.

I have kept my horses on yard with wire and all I’ve done is put my own electric rope infront if it to deter them from it.

Every fencing has its ups and downs and horses will injure themselves on all of it. I have electric rope with wooden posts as strainers and plastic posts in between with a good charge. This set up will be horrifying to some but it works for us.

 

[Boulty]

I've been places with a single strand on top of other fencing eg post & rail or horse netting but personally wouldn't be happy with it as low down as you describe. Would second the advice to either have plastic posts & electric far enough inside that they can't get to it or to attach the longer strainers to the existing fence & put electric tape/ rope / wire through that.

If they're in the process of updating their fencing anyway could you ask they prioritize the bits with barbed wire over post & rail or plain wire bits? Or could you ask for a different paddock (if possible) until that bit of fence has been done.

 

[blitznbobs]

My new paddocks outer fencing is all double fenced the outer fence is either barbed wire triple line stick fencing or good old hawthorne/ blackthorne hedging. There is a gap (usually about 10m so it can be mowed and /or seeded with wild flowers etc) and then a post and rail fence (square posts half round rails) with electric rope on extended insulators around the inside - which is fed by a mains high energy energiser… the concept is the inner fence keeps the horses safe and the outer fence keeps the rest of the world safe. The inner fields are split as necessary with round posts with equine wide tape between them…

 

[PeterNatt]

Auslander! It cost £20 metre + VAT (about 3 years ago). The wooden posts are pressure treated. The rails are pre-drilled before nailing in place to avoid the wood from splitting.

 

[stormox]

If you dont like the standards at that yard, choose another one. Simples!