maya2008
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In the short term, can you give a net of straw or tub of chaff?
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Livery Yard Issues - Help
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Umpy22
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Tried that, it doesn't make a difference.
paddy555
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then you have done all you can.
This is simply the widespread problem of too many livery horses on too small an acreage and the way a conventional yard/stabling is set up.
It must be happening to thousands of horses (ie no turnout) and as the climate seems to be getting wetter and wetter it is a problem that is only going to increase year on year until we start on better equestrian design.
It seems you cannot do much ATM but what about next winter? are you going to be happy with this? if not now may be the time to look around and see how other yards are coping with the problem. If they are basically shut down now they will be no better next winter but some may have found other ways and be worth considering. If so then think about going on their waiting list because there will be other owners who are equally fed up and wanting somewhere with T/O.
ihatework
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Services/turnout/money issues aside I’m wondering if you are almost getting worked up over something that isn’t an issue (in terms of forage).
The horses are overweight, they have trugs of low cal chaff and presumably bedded on straw. Therefore they are not without forage if they have eaten their haynet.
Umpy22
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I think that is where my head is at but I was in the head space of 'is it me being a drama queen?'.
Umpy22
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They're both on shavings. The straw isn't very nice, mouldy in places and very dusty so I'd not want to bed down on it.
I know this is an issue as I get messages from the YO, while I'm at work, normally starting around 1pm to say the boys are kicking their doors and pacing because they have no hay or chaff left.
ihatework
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Then you should probably be moving.
The huge issue for me would be a retired horse with no turnout.
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Not slacking multitasking
You’d think it would take as much time to chuck another net in as to text you about it
Umpy22
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He is exercised daily, in hand, but can't be ridden.
That's where my head is but I wanted to put pen to paper, so to speak, and get the views of others as I doubted myself. It's been an upheaval moving from one end of the country to the other and I wondered if I may have been overthinking it a little as I'm not entirely happy with life in general.
Umpy22
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Exactly this!
I'm not the only one in this situation. I don't get involved in yard chit chats, about the yard, with other liveries but I have overheard conversations about the very same issues.
94lunagem
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I haven't read all the replies so sorry if this is duplicate. Are there no other liveries on the yard during the day who could pop a net in for you (in return for the odd favour in return occasionally)?
Umpy22
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We're not allowed to help each other, sadly, so that's a no go.
94lunagem
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Why?! I can understand the yard not wanting liveries to undercut them with services they are offering (i.e. you turning out for each other instead of paying the yard £2 per turn out). But if it's not a service they're offering, what grounds do they have for not allowing you to make alternative arrangements?
If they say insurance is the issue, then just make sure whichever livery is helping you has a care and control policy and has your permission to be 'handling' your horse.
Umpy22
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Yes, it's stated that it's not allowed due to insurance. Nobody is allowed in anyone's stable other than owners and staff.
Goldenstar
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Your livery is very very cheap.
It’s coming on my rough calculation to about £12 day .
It’s simply not enough to provide enough Labour to do the job .
YOer will be stressed and not sure how to square the circle .
You can move but the same story in slightly different forms is happening everywhere
There are extremely tough times ahead .
I would be trying to manage it with the yard owner somehow .
When will turnout start again ?
It’s coming on my rough calculation to about £12 day .
It’s simply not enough to provide enough Labour to do the job .
YOer will be stressed and not sure how to square the circle .
You can move but the same story in slightly different forms is happening everywhere
There are extremely tough times ahead .
I would be trying to manage it with the yard owner somehow .
When will turnout start again ?
Goldenstar
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How did it not make a difference ?
Umpy22
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It's the same amount only in two nets. Due to where the tie ring is, there is no moving back and forth between nets if that makes sense. We're not allowed to add tie rings or anything else.
I'm Dun
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Doing in hand work but being stood in for 23.5hours a day isn't ok. You are making this about haynets, but its not the issue is turnout. The horses arent being turned out as turning out and bringing in 40 horses takes ages! It used to take 4 of us an hour to do that with 60 horses by the time you change rugs, boots, etc, etc. Further compounded by the lack of land which means it would take all day on and off rotating horses in and out.
There isn't going to be any turnout soon. This is the reality of the situation. I'd send them both away on grass livery and leave them there until you can sort something. I'd be sick with worry from horses stood in banging doors as they have no forage, and no prospect of turnout.
Sussexbythesea
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It’s more like £22 a day. The YO set the price not the livery. The livery has offered to pay more to put extra hay nets in and the YO has refused.
I'm Dun
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they dont need care and control unless they are being paid. An owners third party insurance covers anyone handling their horses with their permission.
Umpy22
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I have tried but there doesn't appear to be a solution.
The YO said by the end of April at the latest, so hopefully sooner than that.
Birker2020
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How is your mare doing now HF?
I remember hour post from Oct 2024. X
Umpy22
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Full grass livery won't work as one is metabolic. I do have an issue with the turnout - I said in an earlier response that I wouldn't have moved there if I had known this would happen as turnout is very important. My hands are tied in that respect, for now, so I am trying to make it so that they at least can eat for a large proportion of the day.
I'm not in a great area, very few yards about and those that are DIY where I could maybe pay another livery or get a freelancer, are full.
Umpy22
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Thank you - I didn't know this.
Bobthecob15
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Have you tried asking on local facebook groups for something to privately rent? Near to you? This is something I have been considering as the yard options for me are rubbish. Perhaps something local will come up?
What area of the country are you in? Perhaps someone on here can help?
I’ve just sold my boy who has had ulcers in the past as the lack of turnout/no grass situation was totally stressing me out and one of the reasons I sold him. Which is bonkers really, but when you have no other yard options I had to consider his needs and felt he’ll be better in a home when he can go out daily all year round. The Welsh pony we have left will be ok on less grass I think (she was fine last summer there)
What area of the country are you in? Perhaps someone on here can help?
I’ve just sold my boy who has had ulcers in the past as the lack of turnout/no grass situation was totally stressing me out and one of the reasons I sold him. Which is bonkers really, but when you have no other yard options I had to consider his needs and felt he’ll be better in a home when he can go out daily all year round. The Welsh pony we have left will be ok on less grass I think (she was fine last summer there)
ihatework
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Just to clarify, is it £675 per month per horse, or £675 in total for both horses?
Sussexbythesea
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It would definitely be cheap
if it’s for two. My 5-day part livery has been on average £700 a month over winter I pay £535 for stable and service Mon-Fri plus hay and bedding on top which I have to buy from the yard and parking for my horsebox. Hard feed I buy separately and I have to do him at weekends and also do all poo-picking.paddy555
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I think I would be pointing out that as your contract says turn out and bring in daily which means you are entitled to turn out that the door kicking is due to the horses being kept in and this aspect of your contract failing so you are unable to do much about the door kicking. Ask what are their suggestions?
I don't think you are being a drama queen. I think you are trying to do your best. It may be a nice yard for people but it doesn't appear to be for your stressed horses. I think you have to put up with it for the moment and find a way of moving before next winter.
Somewhere, can't remember where, I think you said you had a laminitic, EMS, overweight or whatever horse. Is this yard going to have suitable facilities for spring and summer grazing if it has to be restricted which I guess it will?
Goldenstar
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You can use straw chop and you can put it in a big bowl or if that’s not allowed put it on the floor that’s what I do.
You could even put it in at night
Goldenstar
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I also think you need be firmer
If she rings you tell her curtly we have discussed this the horses need more forage you need to give them more.
If she rings you tell her curtly we have discussed this the horses need more forage you need to give them more.