Livery yards being closed, banned from seeing our horses

Gingerwitch said:
Hi again this I do not have an issue with, as everyone is being treated the same and has the same standard, what I cannot cope with is the two tier system of those that can and those that cannot. I assume then that the horses that need special care the yo can put on full livery livery and stop anyone from visiting the yard. So everyone is in the same boat.

I would support this 100%.
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But I really don't get this Gingerwitch, because it seems that you are saying that you can accept the current restrictions even though they make you unhappy, as long as YO makes life more difficult for others so that they are unhappy too. Remember that you don't know about their lives - some may not be able to afford full livery - even more so now. I really think that you need to look around and realise that even in the current situation we in the western world are ALL incredibly lucky - including you - look at what is happening in India for example.

Today I was super happy to be given just 4 proper FFP3 face masks. They are supposed to be disposable, but I have learned about a way to clean them in the oven so that they can be re-used. Seeing someone go every day to the emergency room, with no complaints and no proper equipment, makes me realise that I have absolutely 0 right to complain that I would like to play with my ponies, whatever others are doing. Yesterday I asked if he was finding it hard. He told me that one of his friends who works in a different hospital had that day had to sedate a 16 year old girl to be put on a ventilator, she was terrified before the sedation, alone with only a doctor and nurse in protective gear around her and not knowing if she would ever wake up. He told me that in this situation we have no right to be unhappy or weak - and really I think he is right.

I know it is hard, but really think about those worse off than you, not about the ones who are at the yard, because for sure we all still have good things in our lives. People are dying, so whether or not someone else pays the same as us for their horses is not of any big concern.
 
Winters100 said:
But I really don't get this Gingerwitch, because it seems that you are saying that you can accept the current restrictions even though they make you unhappy, as long as YO makes life more difficult for others so that they are unhappy too.
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No I am not saying I want everyone to be unhappy, I just want everyone to be being treated the same, nothing more and nothing less
 
Michen said:
But people’s situations aren’t the same.
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We all have horses - yes
We all keep them on the same yard - yes
I pay through the nose to have mine mucked out and fed each day - I am not allowed to see mine or ride them

Others pay for stable rent, and are allowed to go to the yard in a morning to muck out, turn out, then are allowed back on a night to bring in and ride

So your right peoples situations are not the same
 
Gingerwitch said:
No I am not saying I want everyone to be unhappy, I just want everyone to be being treated the same, nothing more and nothing less
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But how does that help you? It does nothing but brings trouble to others, does not change your situation at all. Surely you don't care that much about others seeing their horses if they need to care for them?

You must accept that it makes no sense to allow a full livery on the yard at this time, so you would like everyone else to be forced to pay more and not go? Why? Just to give yourself the satisfaction that they can't do something because you can't do it? What if we said that no one who has a garden can use it because some people don't have gardens? I am trying to understand you, but it makes no sense to me.
 
Winters100 said:
But how does that help you? It does nothing but brings trouble to others, does not change your situation at all. Surely you don't care that much about others seeing their horses if they need to care for them?

You must accept that it makes no sense to allow a full livery on the yard at this time, so you would like everyone else to be forced to pay more and not go? Why? Just to give yourself the satisfaction that they can't do something because you can't do it? What if we said that no one who has a garden can use it because some people don't have gardens? I am trying to understand you, but it makes no sense to me.
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So you honestly think that they should be allowed to carry on as normal and even continue to ride and bath horses ? what makes that a necessity? How do i know what cuts my horse has? if their shoes are coming loose how do i even know they are coming in at night, no one is telling us full liveries anything, do i go and buy a drone so i can fly it over the stables to see what is going on.
 
Gingerwitch said:
So you honestly think that they should be allowed to carry on as normal and even continue to ride and bath horses ? what makes that a necessity? How do i know what cuts my horse has? if their shoes are coming loose how do i even know they are coming in at night, no one is telling us full liveries anything, do i go and buy a drone so i can fly it over the stables to see what is going on.
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For goodness sake! If you are not happy that you are being treated differently on your yard then take it up with the YO.
But generally, you know your horse is being looked after, (if you didn't think they were then you wouldn't have them on full livery), you know that you have to keep inside as much as possible to stop the transfer of the virus, and you know that people's lives are at risk - but this is still about you being treated "unfairly"! I really want to say "grow up" but I'm sure someone will shout at me - so I won't
 
Gingerwitch said:
So you honestly think that they should be allowed to carry on as normal and even continue to ride and bath horses ? what makes that a necessity? How do i know what cuts my horse has? if their shoes are coming loose how do i even know they are coming in at night, no one is telling us full liveries anything, do i go and buy a drone so i can fly it over the stables to see what is going on.
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Well this is a completely different issue to the 'fairness' one that you raised.

In my opinion to keep within the spirit of the regulations people should be going to give essential daily care as quickly as possible, but to me this is to do with controlling the spread of the virus, not to do with fairness.

And again if you have concerns about the care that your horse is getting you need to raise them with the YO, but you said previously that you would be satisfied if everyone else had to go on full livery, and obviously this would not help in those concerns, indeed may make them worse with staff spread more thinly.

I can see that you are very stressed about this, but if you are concerned about your horse do raise it with the yard owner. If you were previously satisfied with the care then I am sure they can put your mind at rest without you needing to visit and put others at risk. Remember that the higher chance we have of being infected the more we must take care to stay away from other people or places where others will be. And forget about the whole 'fairness' thing - I am sure that if you think logically about this you will see that it is not relevant. You would be quite within you rights to raise any infringements of the regulations with YO, but I would strongly advise against raising the 'fairness' part as I think that right now most people would dismiss it as envy.

Edited to add that when I decided not to visit the yard due to this situation I spoke with the owner and requested what additional services I needed. He was happy to accommodate. If you need some extra checks made why not just ask for them.
 
I would love a treat ball filled with porridge right now! I have had to really cut my calorie intake due to so much less exercise and I am so hungry! Definitely going to take some days to get used this this regime:/
 
Does your full livery include exercise? I presume it does if the DIY's are allowed to exercise their horses & that whoever is exercising your horse would be checking them over for wounds, loose shoes etc.

If full livery does not include exercise then I can understand that you would be frustrated that the DIY's can exercise their horse but you can't & your horse could get overweight/unfit whereas the DIY horses remain in good shape.

Perhaps the owner would rather the DIY's didnt come either but don't have the staffing capacity to put them on full livery.

I agree it is not good customer service if the full liveries are not being communicated with properly during this time about what services are being done if different to normal, especially as it would reassure the full liveries.

I think after the three weeks is up if there is a long extension of the restrictions, they are considering 6 months, then that is the time to discuss with YO long term options to see if a compromise can be made. There is a big difference between 3 weeks which most people can cope with & 6 months which most people would find incredibly challenging.

Gingerwitch said:
So you honestly think that they should be allowed to carry on as normal and even continue to ride and bath horses ? what makes that a necessity? How do i know what cuts my horse has? if their shoes are coming loose how do i even know they are coming in at night, no one is telling us full liveries anything, do i go and buy a drone so i can fly it over the stables to see what is going on.
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hopscotch bandit said:
Well I'm a limited company contractor and won't get a penny as the government has already said that you are not entitled to SSP unless you are an employee of your own limited company and that also applies to other statutory payments. Whilst you'd think that you would be an employee of your own company you are not. If you have a controlling interest in the company, or are the sole shareholder or sole director then you are not an employee. This is the way it was set up for me by the accountancy company so I can't get anything. Fortunately I have savings although most of that is in a bond which is inaccesible until August :( So I guess I won't be getting 80% or even 10% lol
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I thought this has since changed, and company directors can get the benefits? New change?
 
Gingerwitch said:
Wish I could but I work from 4am in a morning and some days I may still be there till 5 or 6pm depending on how hand over has gone, so need to have servicesr
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Gingerwitch I have a huge amount of sympathy. I have my horse on a yard that only offers full care livery. It is a set up that works for my horse. And I am still typically at the yard before and after work, as he has a complicated care and rehabilitation regime that I do myself. My yard is now shut/

I am lucky as my yard is fully staffed, and the staff are very good, and the standard of care is good. And my horse has more or less reached a rehab point where his feet and body should be okay with less assistance.

But if you are not confident in the ability of your yard to cover all your horse's needs, and if you are normally a very hands on owner, I can see it would be extremely frustrating.

Livery isn't equal, and different yards provide different levels of customer service.

I feel your frustration. I don't think the real issue is the two tier treatment of DIY and full livery. It is worry about the welfare of your horse whilst you cant oversee him, and lack of communication from the yard.
 
Gingerwitch said:
How do i know what cuts my horse has? if their shoes are coming loose how do i even know they are coming in at night, no one is telling us full liveries anything, do i go and buy a drone so i can fly it over the stables to see what is going on.
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That sounds like an issue with you not trusting your yard. The whole point of being on full livery is that you trust the yard to take adequate care of your horse for you.
 
SpringArising said:
That sounds like an issue with you not trusting your yard. The whole point of being on full livery is that you trust the yard to take adequate care of your horse for you.
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I have never not had access to see my horses though, how does anyone know what is going on behind closed doors at the moment, yes i hear what you say but over the years i have seen all sorts, especially when owners have been on holiday, the horses have been skipped for 13 days and then fully mucked out on the last day, I have seen stable hands take clean water out of other horses stables to save them having to fill up and have seen DIY;s help themselves to other horses hays and feed and who can speak up ? The horses cant pick the phone up and say "mum" someones nicked my hay again. I hasten to say that is not at this yard, but they have never had free range to do what they like and for us owners not to be dropping in.
 
Tiddlypom said:
GW, have you seen that happen at your current yard or was that at previous yards?
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Hi Tiddlypom, no that has been on previous yards,one of the last yard I was at had promised me the earth, turn out every day, did not mind hay dunking, could access the yard anytime between 0600 and 2000 hours, the day I got their they miss sent a text meant between owner and manager saying to keep mine in for a few weeks to save the grass, and to give them some sed at the 5pm mark as Is said i I would be dropping in around half past 5. I then had to book to see my horses, was not allowed to be on my own with them on the yard, we were their for 3 months before i could find another space, and then found out that even though daily turn out was promised they only went out if the ground was dry. This meant they were in from October pretty much until April, this nearly killed me off and I was on the verge of selling up.

So whilst I have not had issues at current yard up to now, I am pretty stressed, especially as the DIY's are still being allowed up, it begs the question why? Is it because they are scimping on services or feed or bedding etc
 
Dave's Mam said:
Could one of your yard friends not send you pics & updates on your pony? That's how I am surviving at the moment. I live for my little photo message to tell me he's fine.
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Me too! Really brightens my day:) I also ask them to check how much hay they have and that there is water in the paddock just in case.

Today I was lucky enough to see them, albeit at a distance. I had to drop some food in to the yard, and had arranged to leave it in a dry place from where they can take it to the feed room in a few days time. I didn't want to go to their paddock because of the risks of touching anything (or indeed them), but a very kind groom fetched them while I was unloading and walked them up and down for me to see. They look well and happy, not gaining weight, so I was very pleased:)
 
Gingerwitch said:
So whilst I have not had issues at current yard up to now, I am pretty stressed, especially as the DIY's are still being allowed up, it begs the question why? Is it because they are scimping on services or feed or bedding etc
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I understand why it's difficult for you. I also can't see mine at the moment and it's horrible. But it's not about being being tight and scrimping for those on DIY. It's about people genuinely not being able to afford it in most cases. I can afford full livery but I choose to be DIY because I know I would end up going every day to do things my way, which sort of defeats the purpose.
 
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