Livery Yos/Managers - Throwing out Liveries

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Just out of interest - BTW This isn't related to me personally as I've never been thrown out of a yard..........!!

YOs - Have you ever had to ask a livery to leave? And if so, what was the reason/were the reasons?

Was this especially stressful for you?

Were there any problems with getting them to leave/pay up?

Did the other liveries react in any particular way?
 
I have asked one of my grass liveries to go, I gave her a months notice and she leaves this Saturday. Praise be to the Lord!!!!

It is the first livery I have asked to leave and I am SO RELEIVED, and so are my liveries.

She was (was being very much the operative word in that sentence) a friend and was happy to have free livery at the yard. Unfortunately, she didn’t keep her part of the bargain.

When I charged her full livery (I gave her a months notice, and to be fair, it was only £18.50 a week including hay, and someone feeding her horse every night) she slagged of me, my yard, my liveries. She slagged off me to my liveries, and my liveries to me. She manipulated the situation, but fortunately everyone could see right through her....

Quote “Well in my professional opinion, £18.50 is far too much”
Quote: “You are not a professional, and have no idea”
Quote: “I know all your liveries think I look down on them, and its because I do...and I know I am better”
Quote: “Perhaps I am just not accustomed to DIY type people who think competing at local level is an achievement”
Quote: “Who took my horses rug off, you are so out of order blah blah blah” (horse was standing in heavy weight turn out with neck, dripping with sweat...in 18 degree heat)

I suggested she find a yard where the clientele are more suited to her tastes.

Livery paid in advance, so she paid, I gave notice the day after.

I have to say I feel nothing but relief, and so do my liveries. One bad apple and all that...

I could go on , but she is a total freak!!!! Think Single white female with a compulsive lying problem and a serious manipulative streak.

I have found the whole experience worrying and stressful, more than anything.
 
I know of someone whose sister, many many years ago, didn't pay her livery and didn't attend the yard that regularly to see to her horse. She rocked up one day to find that the horse had been sold to cover the outstanding livery owed.
 
My old YO threw out someone who left all the horses except her own with no breakfasts (agreement is first one down throws in feeds) so they were all banging doors and box walking, doesnt sound too bad but wait for it......while she went off to the YOs barn and shagged one of the builders from next door on top of our precious hay bales (even after having been warned about it, she was married too). ugh! plus other sins!
 
My friend knows someone who got kicked off a yard for disagreeing with the YO - and said everyone on her yard was afraid to speak up or complain about stuff at the yard for fear or setting the YO off on one and getting evicted - apparantly she was the type to throw you off her yard and demand both livery and horse gone within the hour.
 
I nearly got thrown off once as I was accused of pinching shavings .... until I pointed out that my bed was only 2" thick on top of rubber matting ! 10 bales had gone missing apparently over 2 weeks - shes a dirty Mare but not that ruddy dirty. We just talked it out and I was only 19 at the time. I stayed there for 3 years after that without a blip and always pay my rent on time.

A lady has recently been asked to leave our yard due to the fact that she didn't come down from November to April ! NOT once no rent paid no feet done and it's not been a very nice winter has it - we ended up bringing them in feeding them etc between us but 3 horses now that is just taking the Pish !
 
Someone was asked to leave from the DIY yard i am on a few years ago, YO build a new stable and she moved in, she caused alot of upset between us by stirring and telling one person something then another something else like saying she had found another yard to one person and that they should move with her and then to another that she would never move etc. In the end YO asked her to leave, she was quiet after that and decided to leave on christmas day when we were all having our christmas drink, she was asked to join but declined. I got another horse which filled the space so we are back to how we were and all get on well again.
 
All I can say is that I wish my ex - YO hadn't been such a money-grabbing old g** and had taken some of the liveries in hand. Result = he lost the good ones, and now has only rotten apples, bad payers (??) and neglecters. Oh thank god to be out of it. sm x
 
I was asked to leave a place i was renting a field from because they had someone who wanted the field for their 5 horses and i only had 2 so it made "economic sense" for them to move me out and move the other horses in apparently...!! The field was only about 3 acres so not nearly enough for 5 horses!

Had no contract or anything so just had to find somewhere else to put them with 48hrs notice. The landowner just said that the horses would be turning up on a certain day and could i have mine gone as he didnt want to upset them!!

Madness..
 
yes I have had to ask 2 people to go. One with immediate effect. he was a revolting man, had no idea of personal space, no idea about looking after his horse. Would make totally inappropriate remarks to two young teenage girls. Would follow some of my female liveries around and make them feel really uncomfortable. and would turn up every time I had hung my washing out in my garden and walk through the washing so I was convinced he was a pervert. Final straw was when one of the liveries horses was really not well and he insisted on going in teh stable when she was trying to look after her horse and kept crowding her and her horse and would not take no for an answer. I eventually asked him to leave the stable and he kicked off at me infront of everyone so I told him to go with immediate effect. He did , but not without much complaining and shouting. He moved the horse that day and said he would come back for his tack when he could. So I moved all his tack and personal belongings from the tack room into his stable and replaced the lock on the tack room to ensure all the other liveries belongings were safe. Everyone was so pleased to see him go and teh atmosphere lightened immediately.

The other I asked to go as she was one of those dreadful "I am and AI" type people who was forever causing grief and complaining about eveything, she had no idea on shoeing and would slate the yard farrier who is actually a talented saintly farrier for acutally putting anti bac on the feet when he had finished the horse without telling her. She would ask to pay pony haylage prices one week , then horse prices the week after and I was supposed to keep up. She queried everything, was not prepared to join in with the worm counts or timing of worming so that was it - she had to go.

I hate the confromtation but even more Ihate being uncomfortable in my own home and yard. If I am uncomfortable then I know my liveries are and I feel it is important that the yard is somewhere where they can all relax and enjoy their horses, and I am not prepared to have that spoilt for some mad person.
 
The other I asked to go as she was one of those dreadful "I am and AI" type people who was forever causing grief and complaining about eveything, she had no idea on shoeing and would slate the yard farrier who is actually a talented saintly farrier for acutally putting anti bac on the feet when he had finished the horse without telling her. She would ask to pay pony haylage prices one week , then horse prices the week after and I was supposed to keep up. She queried everything, was not prepared to join in with the worm counts or timing of worming so that was it - she had to go.


I think I have just thrown out the same person!!!
 
R2R
Sounds like a nightmare! Just wondered - Was it £18.50 for full livery or the grass livery?
You must have literally breathed a huge breath when you saw her leaving for the last time!
 
Flicker said:
I know of someone whose sister, many many years ago, didn't pay her livery and didn't attend the yard that regularly to see to her horse. She rocked up one day to find that the horse had been sold to cover the outstanding livery owed.
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Blimey, that sounds harsh - How irregular was she at visiting her horse?
Was her livery outstanding for a very long time?
 
All these posts are proving that it is the livery (person) who causes the issue. Not one person mentions asking someone to leave because of their horse being a pain in the backside.
In particular, it's the usual gossip and behaviour!
 
Someone at our yard recently didn't come in for a week, just left the horse standing in it's stable with no food, muck out, turn out or exercise. People at the yard felt sorry for it and were feeding it hay and mucking out, but the owner had outstanding liverly bills so her tack was withheld until she paid. She paid up one weekend and left on her own accord, disgusted that the yard had taken her tack...
 
mickey said:
R2R
Sounds like a nightmare! Just wondered - Was it £18.50 for full livery or the grass livery?
You must have literally breathed a huge breath when you saw her leaving for the last time!
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No, I charged her £18.50 per week, fully inclusive, her horse done every day, and didnt bother charging her for hay as could not be doing with the row.
 
R2R
£18.50 per week for full ! Can't see why on Earth she would complain about that. I have paid more like £100 a week in the past
 
I got kicked off by a very very angry yo for making the mistake of not telling her my horse was going on a 2 week trial with view to loan. All livery + hay paid for well in advance as there was a very good chance my horse would have to be returned hence the trial first and that's why I didn't mention it (hardly saw yo anyway).

Paid a good chunk of my salary for livery over the years and would never (and have never) caused anyone any trouble. I'm ocd with paying, quiet polite and in it for the horse only. Never again.
 
Someone at our yard recently didn't come in for a week, just left the horse standing in it's stable with no food, muck out, turn out or exercise. People at the yard felt sorry for it and were feeding it hay and mucking out, but the owner had outstanding liverly bills so her tack was withheld until she paid. She paid up one weekend and left on her own accord, disgusted that the yard had taken her tack...




That is absolutely unjustified. Poor horse. I would be disgusted. Just a shame that the old cow had the privledge of owning a horse.......
 
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I would be laughing, I pay approx £70 for part livery (includes feeding, stable fee, hay and straw) All in would be about £110-£120.

mickey said:
R2R
£18.50 per week for full ! Can't see why on Earth she would complain about that. I have paid more like £100 a week in the past
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mickey said:
R2R
Sounds like a nightmare! Just wondered - Was it £18.50 for full livery or the grass livery?
You must have literally breathed a huge breath when you saw her leaving for the last time!
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mickey said:
R2R
£18.50 per week for full ! Can't see why on Earth she would complain about that. I have paid more like £100 a week in the past
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Becasue she is stark raving mental...thats why !
 
I threw out one of my liveries 18 months ago or so for not looking after her horse. She didn't come down for weeks at a time. I paid several visits to her house, spoke to her boyfriend's parents who she was living with and nothing improved. I told her she had to come to the yard by 3 p.m. that day and sort her horse out or I would be bringing him back. Didn't hear anything from her so took her horse back and tied it up to the garden fence.
 
I had a big problem at one point because a manager had told me to get off the yard. The YO was on holiday, she was in charge.

I had called the vet, over the head of said yard manager, for another liveries horse (her best friend) that was getting more and more dangerously ill. Swolen legs, high temp, shivering and so on. They were trying to avoid a vet's bill - stupidly.

Had been completely fair - told them in the evening that if the horse was still that way the next morning, and the vet had not been called, then I would call the vet myself. Next morning it hadn't, horse was worse, so I did. Vet came and treated horse, and went completely ape about the whole thing.

When he came back from holiday he spoke with me and vet, then pushed the YM. The horse owner left soon after.

No excuses for that kind of behaviour.
 
I used to work for a rather horrible man wh owned a livery yard. There was one livery there (a mother and daughter), who he really didn't like, I'm not sure exactly why they just didn't get on however he didn't have a valid enough readon to ask them to leave, so he started trying to put the prices up and charge them for any extra jobs done by me (as I was the sole groom), in the hope that they wouldn't be able to afford it so would leave. Then one week the liveries went on holiday and asked another livery to look after their horsefor them. When the YO found out he was very angry as he wanted them to pay for me to look after the horse (so he could get lots of money). So he told the livery they had asked not to look after the horse and got me to instead and charged ten punds a day for me doing so which he added up then added to their normal bill (bear in mind they'd been on DIY so were used to £30 a week, and suddenly he was charging them £100!). He also decided that because they had done this he was going to ask them to leave. He wrote this all in a letter, left it in their stable then made sure he wasn't there when the people returned from holiday.

It was awfull as I was there and it was the poor daughter who found the letter and as she loved keeping her pony at the yard she was heartbroken. YO had written in the letter they had 4 weeks notice, when the girls mum saw it she took the pony that day, glad to be rid of the place I'd imagine! So YO's plan backfired a bit as though he did get rid of them like he'd planned he didn't get to make loads of money out of them (which is what he was really after). I guess it goes to show that you should discuss things sensibly with liveries/yard owners, not sneak around behind their backs!
 
I've got a small (three horse) yard on the farm I live on and a few years ago was persuaded to take on a "friend of a friend" who had no-where to put her two (young, not backed) horses.

Big mistake! She was paying for DIY but expected me to bring her horses in when she had to work late (frequently); she expected as of right for me to be there for when the vet and blacksmith came; and her favourite saying was "I thought you might have done that ...."

Her two horses tanked around the field like lunatics and chammed up all my decent grass; and she ended up by upsetting both my vet and my blacksmith, as well as a good friend.

She wasn't paying very much at all (OK my fault, I should have charged her more, I know that now) but she was all the time running the tap on my metered water pipe (hellish expensive!) to wash her precious horses tails plus was boiling up endless kettles (the most expensive thing you can do with electricity supply!!!).

She moaned constantly about everything; yet when I'd got her horses in for her and generally traipsed around for her she became even more of a Prima Donna. I use electric fencing to divide off areas and she groused constantly about it and kept switching off the current (electric fencing without the current is lethal in my opinion coz the horses won't respect it whereas they will if it has a current going through it and they know it).

Eventually I very tactfully suggested that I didn't really have the facilities her horses required and that perhaps she would do better to seek an alternative place which offered perhaps an assisted livery service, to make it easier for her, etc etc. (Very tactful I was!!).

Since she left me, she upset get another blacksmith at another yard; ripped out all their electric fencing on the first day she was there; and was told to clear out; she then went to another place and groused about the electric fencing; to my knowledge she went to another place after that, where she is now. God help them I say.
 
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