Loaning problems

[staceyhollins]

So I've put my horse out on loan on a 3 month trial as had reservations.
I was right, in 8 weeks I've had to pester and tell her common sense things. My 21 yr old gelding got into the next field as mare in season and no electric in fence. 2 days he was there, she hadn't contacted me to ask for help just left him. Got her to come down to talk. No feed for 2 weeks now, no hay, he's just been chucked out and left , she's not been to yard since we spoke.
She's ignored messages. Going to call tomorrow but where do I stand if she disappears?

 

[meleeka]

I’d probably just take the horse if it were me. It would be down to her to pursue it through the court, which is unlikely to happen.
If you don’t want to do that, make sure the YM knows what’s going on. Give her the notice in writing and arrange for collection on a specified day. Not a lot you can do if she disappears though.

 

[PipsqueakXy22]

Id just go straight to collect the horse tomorrow

 

[TheMule]

Just go and collect the horse, presumably your loan contract says that you're within your rights to do so at any point.

 

[throwawayaccount]

You had reservations for a reason, probably your gut feeling …

take the horse back.

 

[asmp]

I think she’s disappeared already ?.

 

[AmyMay]

Just go and collect the horse.

 

[Tiddlypom]

Just go and get the horse. Sort out any back chat afterwards.

You will have put a clause in the loan contract to specify that the loan will be terminated without notice if there are justifiable welfare concerns? Even if you didn't, just go and get the horse.

 

[staceyhollins]

I'm lucky that he is at a yard he was at for 6 yrs when he was younger and 5 mins from my house.
He's out on loan as I became a single parent to a 2 yr old, finances and time are a struggle and will be for another 12 months.
I will try and call today and if no answer will have to advertise again. Where do I stand if she has unpaid livery?
Many thanks.

 

[Tiddlypom]

You should not be liable for any unpaid livery while he was not in your care. Hopefully the YO will recognise that.

Hope you get sorted soon.

 

[AmyMay]

I'm lucky that he is at a yard he was at for 6 yrs when he was younger and 5 mins from my house.
He's out on loan as I became a single parent to a 2 yr old, finances and time are a struggle and will be for another 12 months.
I will try and call today and if no answer will have to advertise again. Where do I stand if she has unpaid livery?
Many thanks.

The livery charge is hers, not yours. But you could possibly run in to problems removing the horse if there is an unpaid bill.

However, if the yard is convenient for you, you could continue to keep the horse there and work out a pay plan with the YO.

 

[MissTyc]

The livery charge is hers, not yours. But you could possibly run in to problems removing the horse if there is an unpaid bill.

However, if the yard is convenient for you, you could continue to keep the horse there and work out a pay plan with the YO.

This, and maybe if the YO is a helpful sort of person, the horse could stay on the yard and find a new loaner or sharer from there? Sometimes these things fall into place, but the current loaner doesn't sound responsible.

 

[MiJodsR2BlinkinTite]

You should not be liable for any unpaid livery while he was not in your care. Hopefully the YO will recognise that.

Hope you get sorted soon.

Put my old lad on loan a good few years ago and the numpty girl that had him hadn't paid diddly squat for his livery from day one; I only found this out six weeks into the loan! YO then expected Yours Truly to pay up and look sweet. I told him to jog-on PDQ and take it up directly with his "client"; and then at the weekend when there was a competition on at the yard I went up with a friend who was competing - and had a space in her lorry! - and in the middle of all the competition-disruption we loaded up my lad and rocked-off back home with him. Thank god the toad loaded!! Never heard anything from YO again. The loanee had also let his sweet itch get badly out of control - as well as the YO not giving a damn - so that was another good reason to bring him home.

Any unpaid livery bills are the responsibility of the loanee and NOT the owner. It would be up to the YO to follow up non-payment directly with the client, followed by legal action if necessary (or the threat of it).

Any loan agreement, even if drawn up signed & witnessed by a Legal - is frankly not worth the paper it is written on and certainly anyone would struggle to get it enforced and/or penalties incurred for breaking it. So I wouldn't worry about the niceties! I would strongly advise OP to go and get her horse ASAP. If she hasn't got her own transport then hire some, but just get the horse back as quickly as possible. End of. There isn't just one welfare concern there are several and this horse needs taking back to the owner.

Get this horse back asap would be what I would do.

 

[Sossigpoker]

If your horse isn't being cared for , why are you worrying about niceties and not collecting him? Even to put him in a field somewhere.
It always amazes me when people seem to be more concerned about the feelings and actions of other people rather than the welfare of their horses. If the welfare is compromised , you go and take the horse. What will they do? Shoot you? Highly doubt it.

 

[Annagain]

It sounds like the horse didn't move yards when he went on loan? If that's the case, talk to your YO, legally the loaner is responsible for the debt (if there is one) but if you want him to stay there it may be worth coming to an agreement with the YO and trying to recoup the money from the loaner. I'd get him advertised asap and find him a new loaner.

 

[horsimous]

Advertise for a new loaner, it’s a great time of year to find one.