*Long* A bit about my new horse & wanting a little advice on jumping issue . . .

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I got my new horse about 3 weeks ago, he’s a 17.2hh TB & we’re getting on fab. Through digging around & hunting down old owners, I’ve learnt in the past he’s been used mostly for showing in lightweight hunter classes competed very successfully at HOYS & even won at the Royal Windsor & Supreme Champ county level. That was about 3yrs ago now, he developed a small splint & had a roaring issue so that was the end of that – he had his larynx lasered, successfully in the way that his performance is absolutely fine, but the noise is still there. So he was being wasted in the field really & was sold on at a low price with good intentions so he wasn’t left doing nothing. Long story short I bought him in a bit of a state from his 2nd owner in 3yrs with very overgrown feet (he lost all 4 shoes in the first week I had him just in the field whilst waiting for my farrier to come up) & he rather resembled a glorified hat rack. The spillers feed lady came out to our yard 2 days after I bought him & he weighed in at 599kg – should be pushing 650kg at least :(

He had a week to settle in on just good grass & the last 3 or 4 days been put on Winergy Condition & pink powder, I’ve been hacking him out almost daily since then just getting used to each other etc, yesterday we had our first proper go at flatwork/jumping in the paddock on the yard (waiting for the school to go in at the mo) & his flatwork is to die for, extremely well schooled, fab brakes very light & responsive & even tried to do a flying change (very very rusty as that’s probably the first time in 3yrs for him but he tried). I’ve bought him as an all rounder really to do bits of everything on from showing & hacking to fun rides & xc – nothing serious though.

Last night after warming him up on the flat we put a pole out, he trotted up then cantered over it, fine. Did it maybe twice more then put up a very very small cross pole literally fetlock height & as he turned to it he started bunny hopping & threatening to buck as if napping from it, then tried again a few times & he just ground to a halt just as I was going to think about turning for it.

The original owner said he can go around a 3ft course fine but in what fashion I don’t know & the girl I bought him off hunted him. So I’m assuming he’s either been bullied around & held, or pushed into it without really knowing what to do. If you catch him unaware & turn him off a circle to it with not much of an approach he pops it quite happily, it’s the turn onto a decent straight approach he gets really funny with & if he does manage it he rushes. We tried going back to flatwork after that but it had got him all stressy & he wouldn’t relax again. He could have been tired after the flatwork, he’s still lacking muscle obviously so that’s another point but still for something that’s up to his fetlock there isn’t really much excuse for kicking off at the scale which he did. Only wanted to trot it once or twice then leave it there.

He’s a bit of a miserable horse really, hates being handled in the stable, being stabled (weaves slightly), hates being tied up & brushed, rugging up & his saddle going on but its literally just the putting on the back, girth doesn’t bother him – apparently he’s always been like this & he soured towards most of it from the showing & being stabled for days on end.

As he’s so big we think it’s a matter of his saddle being dragged off & chucked up onto his back in a hurry plus he’s high withered & has a white mark on the highest point where rugs would sit & dig in. His saddle sores have gone & he’s loads better already with me - making a point of lifting his saddle on & off plus rugging with a quilted vest over his wither makes a huge difference he’s not lifting a back leg anymore, with the saddling he’s still doing faces but not snapping at me or leg going up. So we think he’s rather precious of his wither & rightly so, rather than it being a proper back issue & he’s just so in the habit of pulling faces it’ll take a lot to stop, but we will see. Plus he loves living out 24/7 now so appreciates the stable more when he’s popped in for 5.

But regardless, first on my list obviously is back & teeth check, he’s been with me 3 weeks & had his feet done & restarted his jabs so picking through slowly.

I personally think he’s never been taught to jump properly & has been just pushed at with someone assuming just because of his size he must be able to do it, so he’s worrying hence the behaviour by either stopping point blank & panicking or rushing it – the flat work as I said was spot on.

So. Obviously get he above looked at so make sure there is no back issues. Then my plan is lots of muscle building & fittening work including on the lunge in a pessoa, get his flatwork tuned right back up & to get him enjoying himself with hacking, some local riding club showing shows, dressage & fun rides – no pressure or poles in sight unless he follows over a log or something on a fun ride willingly. Then start with pole work on the lunge & loose jumping so he can suss it out for himself, the slowly I’ll start riding him over the poles & go from there :) Hopefully he will start to learn its something to be enjoyed & start taking it in his stride.

Does this sound like I’m thinking along the right lines?

Will try getting some pics & a video up later :)
 
By the sounds of it the only thing this horse should be doing at the moment is being allowed to get some good grass and grub in to him, without any thought of work - let alone jumping.

In a few weeks time, then you can start to think about introducing some quiet hacking and school work.

He shouldn't be lunged with our without a pessoa until his condition is significantly improved (so three months or so??).

In the meantime, you'll need to get him the once over to check him physically and also have his saddle fitted to him properly (and again and again as he puts weight on).
 
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Last night after warming him up on the flat we put a pole out, he trotted up then cantered over it, fine.

Cant comment on riding him or not in present condition as one persons hat rack is anothers obese horse.

As for the jumping the quoted bit above is your real clue.
If a horse approaches a trot pole in trot then breaks in to canter to go over it you can bet your life saving it will rush when presented to a fence.

So lets assume thats what he wants (feels the need) to do.
The first thing a lot of people do when they decide to turn in to a fence is tense up and stiffen, the second is to check the horse or even lock it down. Sometimes this is a conscious decision, often people dont even realise they do it.
If the horse is sensitive and likes to rush fences the two action above will result in what you got.

Work on getting a consistent forward trot rythm to a pole on approach, over and away. Only once thats established you can move on to a very low raised pole (not cross pole) and ride it just as you did the cross pole.
 
By the sounds of it the only thing this horse should be doing at the moment is being allowed to get some good grass and grub in to him, without any thought of work - let alone jumping.

In a few weeks time, then you can start to think about introducing some quiet hacking and school work.

He shouldn't be lunged with our without a pessoa until his condition is significantly improved (so three months or so??).

In the meantime, you'll need to get him the once over to check him physically and also have his saddle fitted to him properly (and again and again as he puts weight on).

Please dont think he's an emaciated wreck he isnt, my fault I didnt explain myself properly at the start reading that back through. We thought from his passport he was a ID x TB when I got him (plus hes very big boned for a TB which also mislead us) but tracing his lines & speaking to his last owner he's pure TB. Spillers said she should be 650kg as an ID x TB but now we know hes pure TB & my friend who's very knowledgable has had a look, it seems his weight actually isnt too bad esp after a few weeks of grass & its more lack of muscle than anything.

Honestly I wouldnt ride him if he was literally skin & bone.

Cant comment on riding him or not in present condition as one persons hat rack is anothers obese horse.

As for the jumping the quoted bit above is your real clue.
If a horse approaches a trot pole in trot then breaks in to canter to go over it you can bet your life saving it will rush when presented to a fence.

So lets assume thats what he wants (feels the need) to do.
The first thing a lot of people do when they decide to turn in to a fence is tense up and stiffen, the second is to check the horse or even lock it down. Sometimes this is a conscious decision, often people dont even realise they do it.
If the horse is sensitive and likes to rush fences the two action above will result in what you got.

Work on getting a consistent forward trot rythm to a pole on approach, over and away. Only once thats established you can move on to a very low raised pole (not cross pole) and ride it just as you did the cross pole.

Thank you very much thats very helpful advice :) Once we start on poles again that what we'll do. I know what you mean about tensing up etc, I'm probably subconsciously doing it without realising - my other horse never noticed probably lol.

I think you're right with your original comment though, my other boy is a stocky Section D so I probably look at the TB as been scrawny when he's actually not too bad. The change over 3 weeks is amazing, I'll try getting pics up now.
 
Another contributing cause could be the fact any back issues would be more painful for him jumping. For now I would let him put weight on if needed & build muscle up out hacking, & gradually build up how much schooling he can manage on hacks. Then when he is fit & has good, rather than bad associations with riding I would introduce poles. Really I would treat him like a horse who hasn't jumped before & start again with poles in grids, raised poles etc & when ready a tiny cross at the end of a simple grid so there's no approach to a single fence.
And agree re ruling pain out first, & with a saddle check now & at regular intervals as he changes shape.
 
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