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[Hormonal Filly]

Where I keep my horse is dog friendly, most people have dogs and majority get on really well.

I have 2 dogs (not neutered) and a bitch, all spaniels. They're working dogs and usually in the car unless being walked/trained, I don't often take them into the stables, If I do they're at heel and kept with me.

There is one dog that roams is a problem. I had a incident a few of months ago where I had all my dogs sat with me chatting outside my stable and and the terrier (from a separate business in another barn) came in. It stood growling, so I asked my dogs to heel with me away. This dog then ran up behind and pitched straight in to one of my dogs. I shouted for the owner, no where to be seen but could hear him shouting his name. I picked my spaniel up to check he was okay (he did stand up for himself) at this point the owner walked in and as I turned away, his dog then went for my other dog (which ran away) and then started jumping up at me trying to bite my spaniel in my arms. Owner of terrier grabbed him, walked off without saying a word. I was quite shaken up, amazed he didn't bite me. Another livery saw this and it was reported to YO.

Have since found out this terrier has previously nipped children (drawing blood) and tried to bite several other people. It has also ran behind and nipped my leg before. YO told owner to muzzle it and have it under control. The terrier is entire and am assuming he doesn't like my entire dogs which is the problem, although it shouldn't even be in this barn. It has absolutely no training or recall.

Thinking it had been resolved. Last week it was late so I had one of my dogs with me and took him into the stables for a piece of carrot. This terrier (muzzled, but poorly fitted and am sure he could still bite) ran into our barn and stood growling at the exit. I had my spaniel at heel and tried to walk past him, the terrier then ran up behind my dog and tried to bite him, I was really quick and used my foot to push him back. I grabbed the scruff of my dog to keep him behind me. I kept using the side of my foot to push the terrier back. He kept coming and coming, the noise he made was awful, I walked back about 20 feet pushing this dog away. I shouted for the owner, who came in and at first stood there clueless. I asked for him to grab his dog! He walked over and picked his dog up, then said I was kicking his dog, hes muzzled now so it doesn't matter. He said 'well your dog is growling' (this is the spaniel that got chased by the terrier a couple of months ago so assuming he felt scared/restrained) and how I should of picked my dog up (hes over 20kg, filthy and I have a bad back)

Wouldn't most owners of acted the same if a dog was trying to go for theirs? The owner often has no idea where his dog is. I can avoid taking mine to my stable, in summer I'd like to put my dogs in my stable sometimes while I ride and constantly worrying about this dog (the terrier will still chase me without dogs) it kind of ruins it a bit.

A friend said might be worth me getting some dog corrector spray? Does that just scare them away?

 

[Clodagh]

I would never walk my dog past or away from another one behaving aggressively. I’m not saying that the terrier is not a huge problem that needs dealing with, but if you don’t want to change yards and YO won’t deal with it I’m not sure what else you can do but not take your dogs there.
I’d carry a slip lead and if the terrier squares up slip a lead onto it and put it in a stable or take it back to its owner. Or I’d take a stick and wallop it… but I accept most people would find that unnecessarily aggressive and with a terrier may well escalate a fight rather than put it off.

 

[Clodagh]

Mine get attacked by next doors collie quite regularly. It’s ok if I see her coming as I yell ‘Fly, go home’ and she does… but that’s a collie and they are so different.

 

[Hormonal Filly]

I would never walk my dog past or away from another one behaving aggressively.

Yes you're right, I should of stood and kept shouting for its owner to retrieve it rather than try and walk past, error in judgement on my behalf. The slip lead is a good idea, although the owner sees no wrong at all in the dogs behaviour so can assume they would be offended. I can't see what my dogs have done wrong but according to him, its all their fault.

I might ask YO if he could make reiterate that the terrier is kept under control or on a lead but doubt it will last.

 

[Tiddlypom]

As the terrier is biting people and not just going for dogs (which is bad enough) then it should be banned from the yard. If YO won’t (wo)man up and ban it, then walk. This is basic yard management.

Loose dogs have no place on a livery yard, they are a pain.

 

[Clodagh]

Yes you're right, I should of stood and kept shouting for its owner to retrieve it rather than try and walk past, error in judgement on my behalf. The slip lead is a good idea, although the owner sees no wrong at all in the dogs behaviour so can assume they would be offended. I can't see what my dogs have done wrong but according to him, its all their fault.

I might ask YO if he could make reiterate that the terrier is kept under control or on a lead but doubt it will last.

Owner is an arse.

 

[skinnydipper]

None of it is your fault @Hormonal Filly.

The terrier should not be loose and free to attack or intimidate other dogs. Even with a muzzle it is still an attack and although he can't use his teeth he can still cause bruising, and whether he can bite or not it is still extremely stressful for the victim.

 

[Clodagh]

I always wonder who these people are that have so little care for their dogs. I understand the collies here as generally they are no trouble and we do walk through their yard (on a public road but I get they do t see the distinction).
I’d be mortified if my dogs were causing upset to someone else.

 

[Hormonal Filly]

I’d be mortified if my dogs were causing upset to someone else.

Mine too.. this dog purposefully comes to cause trouble. I think both of my dogs are now slightly more anxious than before either incident happened.

 

[blackcob]

YO needs to either enforce dog on lead at all times or ban it; if they won't take action, I think your choices are either to not take your dogs again or find another yard.

Owner is completely in the wrong but they've proven they don't give a stuff and the principle is not worth the potential outcome to your dogs.

After repeated incidents I also wouldn't be shy in actually kicking it if it came at me but YMMV on that.

 

[meleeka]

The dog should be banned from being off lead, or banned from the yard if the owner doesn’t want to do that. I’d be keeping my dogs away from the yard while it’s a problem. My little terrier had no recall when she was busy looking for mice, so was never loose. I used a lunge line to tie her while I was busy so she could still watch the goings on, safely. As an aside, it shows what an irresponsible owner he is if he’s happy to let a terrier roam without any supervision whilst wearing a muzzle. The poor dog could get it stuck on anything!

Loose dogs on yards is also a safety issue. What happens when the dog wanders past and a horse is tied outside its stable? That could easily result in a human getting hurt.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

It shouldn't be loose I would complain to the yard it sounds really aggressive.

I would also be tempted to use something to keep it away from me and my dogs, a water spray perhaps or a stick kept to hand might deter it.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

If it bit me or I witnessed it biting someone, I would report it immediately to dog warden/police. The fact that utility us a relatively small dog doesn't stop it being dangerous.

 

[Clodagh]

It shouldn't be loose I would complain to the yard it sounds really aggressive.

I would also be tempted to use something to keep it away from me and my dogs, a water spray perhaps or a stick kept to hand might deter it.

Trouble is (speaking for my dogs) they would be more frightened of the spray than the attacker.

 

[Clodagh]

Mine too.. this dog purposefully comes to cause trouble. I think both of my dogs are now slightly more anxious than before either incident happened.

Mine come out our gate now quite differently , Ffee and Pen are ready for war and focussed which is a PITA.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Or water spray the owner that sounds like a much better solution as he is the one being a d*ck

 

[Hormonal Filly]

If it bit me or I witnessed it biting someone, I would report it immediately to dog warden/police. The fact that utility us a relatively small dog doesn't stop it being dangerous.

Can the dog warden assist if the attack happens on private land?

The fact the owner was angry because I used the side of my foot to push the dog away claimed I was kicking it, I can imagine using a stick would lead into quite a heated conversation. Still can't believe how rude and upset he got at me for pushing it away, as if his dog has the rights to behave like it.

Made me feel slightly better another livery witnessed it and said by no means did I kick it. The dog regularly chases horses if they're ridden past, owner shouts and shouts, dog ignores. Always if they've going away from the yard. Same as its attacks, when the dog/person has turned away, that is when it goes for the bite.

 

[oldandgold]

Do you carry a whip when you visit your horse - just thinking.

 

[dottylottie]

id be going back to the yard owner and putting my foot down a bit, why on earth should you have to correct/train someone else’s dog because the owner can’t be bothered to keep an eye on it? the slip lead is a good idea, but i think taking it back to the owner will only encourage them to let it roam where it wants.

 

[SDMabel]

I'd speak to YO and see what their insurance covers for loose dogs on site that are known to bite.....

Might give them a kick up the backside to speak to terriers owner.

 

[Christmascinnamoncookie]

Where I keep my horse is dog friendly, most people have dogs and majority get on really well.

I have 2 dogs (not neutered) and a bitch, all spaniels. They're working dogs and usually in the car unless being walked/trained, I don't often take them into the stables, If I do they're at heel and kept with me.

There is one dog that roams is a problem. I had a incident a few of months ago where I had all my dogs sat with me chatting outside my stable and and the terrier (from a separate business in another barn) came in. It stood growling, so I asked my dogs to heel with me away. This dog then ran up behind and pitched straight in to one of my dogs. I shouted for the owner, no where to be seen but could hear him shouting his name. I picked my spaniel up to check he was okay (he did stand up for himself) at this point the owner walked in and as I turned away, his dog then went for my other dog (which ran away) and then started jumping up at me trying to bite my spaniel in my arms. Owner of terrier grabbed him, walked off without saying a word. I was quite shaken up, amazed he didn't bite me. Another livery saw this and it was reported to YO.

Have since found out this terrier has previously nipped children (drawing blood) and tried to bite several other people. It has also ran behind and nipped my leg before. YO told owner to muzzle it and have it under control. The terrier is entire and am assuming he doesn't like my entire dogs which is the problem, although it shouldn't even be in this barn. It has absolutely no training or recall.

Thinking it had been resolved. Last week it was late so I had one of my dogs with me and took him into the stables for a piece of carrot. This terrier (muzzled, but poorly fitted and am sure he could still bite) ran into our barn and stood growling at the exit. I had my spaniel at heel and tried to walk past him, the terrier then ran up behind my dog and tried to bite him, I was really quick and used my foot to push him back. I grabbed the scruff of my dog to keep him behind me. I kept using the side of my foot to push the terrier back. He kept coming and coming, the noise he made was awful, I walked back about 20 feet pushing this dog away. I shouted for the owner, who came in and at first stood there clueless. I asked for him to grab his dog! He walked over and picked his dog up, then said I was kicking his dog, hes muzzled now so it doesn't matter. He said 'well your dog is growling' (this is the spaniel that got chased by the terrier a couple of months ago so assuming he felt scared/restrained) and how I should of picked my dog up (hes over 20kg, filthy and I have a bad back)

Wouldn't most owners of acted the same if a dog was trying to go for theirs? The owner often has no idea where his dog is. I can avoid taking mine to my stable, in summer I'd like to put my dogs in my stable sometimes while I ride and constantly worrying about this dog (the terrier will still chase me without dogs) it kind of ruins it a bit.

A friend said might be worth me getting some dog corrector spray? Does that just scare them away?

Absolutely speak to the yo again and see what he/she says to SDMabel's suggestion below, could motivate him/her and the terrier owner to do something proper ie restrain the dog into his own area rather than let the little sh!to just bloody roam around uncontrolled. It was one dog that went for Zak that turned him into a fearful dog who decided attacking first was the right thing to do. Too right I'd kick the dog if I felt I had to protect mine.

I'd speak to YO and see what their insurance covers for loose dogs on site that are known to bite.....

Might give them a kick up the backside to speak to terriers owner.

Love this!

 

[Rowreach]

The fact that it has gone for other dogs is bad enough, but the fact that it has previously nipped a child means that in the event it bites someone else, and the YO knew its history, they will be in huge bother. The dog should be banned from the yard, full stop.

 

[limestonelil]

Some good suggestions HF to help with a miserable situation not at all of your making. The terrier owner is a complete twonk and it's so entitled ( you've behaved with great restraint and done nothing at all to deserve this attitude) they're behaving this way.
Is your YO related to them or otherwise involved, as it seems weird they won't address an easily solved problem.

 

[Hormonal Filly]

Is your YO related to them or otherwise involved, as it seems weird they won't address an easily solved problem.

The owner of said dog rents a large barn and house from YO.. so I assume that is why not much has been done.

 

[splashgirl45]

I’m afraid if it had been attacking my dogs I wouldn’t be gently nudging it, I would kick the bloomin thing and if the owner complained I would explain that the best way to stop me kicking it was to keep it away from me and my dogs . I have a very short temper if my dogs were likely to be hurt..