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So sad to see him today, what a shadow of his former self. I see what EKW meant about hoping this doesn't happen to Bobsworth.
If Sam had beaten him he could have been third, but he didn't and has got a 7 day ban as a result.
At least he is now retired, I hope he goes hunting, he is such a stunning horse and achieved so much so young.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/hors...in/2050526/top/#newsArchiveTabs=last7DaysNews
 
Good on Sam for doing right by the horse, can't believe he's got a ban for it!

I love Long Run, he will always be part of that golden generation, Kauto Star, Denman, Imperial Commander...will never forget his Gold Cup win!!
 
He's the last from that golden era. I gather he spent 10 months on box rest after a very bad cut before they were able to even consider getting him back on the track. Presume he showed enough at home for them to consider running him again but he's told them today enough so well done connections for listening to him. Shame on the stewards for their ban on Sam W-C when he was simply looking after the horse and doing the right thing by him.
 
When you read Alisatair Down's article about the Gold Cup that he won you think where are alll the charismatic horses nowadays - Sprinter Sacre not included.
 
Clodagh said:
When you read Alisatair Down's article about the Gold Cup that he won you think where are alll the charismatic horses nowadays - Sprinter Sacre not included.
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Drowned out by the pink and green silks. At least the golden era wore different silks, were trained by different people, ridden by different jockeys and weren't affraid to take each other on!

I am glad Lennie has retired. I do not agree with the stewards at all. If he had beaten it to the line he would have been done for either abuse of the whip or keeping on at an obviously tired horse. SWC couldn't have won with the stewards no matter what he did.

I am not sure if he has a mount in the National but this ban will cover that meeting. They are going to appeal and rightly so.
 
EKW said:
Drowned out by the pink and green silks. At least the golden era wore different silks, were trained by different people, ridden by different jockeys and weren't affraid to take each other on!

I am glad Lennie has retired. I do not agree with the stewards at all. If he had beaten it to the line he would have been done for either abuse of the whip or keeping on at an obviously tired horse. SWC couldn't have won with the stewards no matter what he did.

I am not sure if he has a mount in the National but this ban will cover that meeting. They are going to appeal and rightly so.
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The old horse has an entry, at least he won't be lining up now. It is probably stupid but I hate to see gold cup winners pull out again just days after Cheltenham and run in the National.
 
Not many do the Gold Cup and the National in the same year these days. I don't think Don Poli is going to line up this year. Though saying that Mullins was adamant that Vatour was going for the GC then sent him out in the Ryanair instead so I do not take his word.
 
Ah yes, i remember him now, big white face on him. I am a massive racing fan and love seeing the NH horses have long and successful careers, but I hate to see every last drop of bravery extracted from them and when that does happen it always seems to be the very wealthy owners who do it.
 
Good on Sam WC for taking care of the horse. Hopefully, the ban will be overturned, as he didn't deserve that . the horse was clearly tired.

Glad Long Run has been retired, and they're going to find another job for him. At least he came home in once piece today, unlike poor Ethan in the first at Carlisle . a truly horrific injury. Condolences to his connections.
 
There was another horse that ran in the Gold Cup and then in the Grand National and he fell and broke his neck at Bechers.
Think it might have been Johnjo O'Neil riding it too. Name started with A. It was a good, top class horse.
Rather ironic, but I think that Synchronised was just desperately, desperately unlucky.
 
Shocking decision. Wonder where this leave the whip rule. Licence to flog horses over the line? The BHA should hang their heads in shame.
 
scotlass said:
Unfortunately, Sam W-C failed in the appeal to have the ban for his sympathetic riding of Long Run overturned
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That is a shame. I suppose a lot of each way bets missed out. I love horse racing but I never bet - it demeans the efforts of those stunning creatures in my eyes.
 
A paragraph from the article;

** However, while the disciplinary panel accepted Sam Waley-Cohen's opinion that he felt Long Run was tiring, they did not concur that the horse would have finished fifth regardless and said they felt the 12-year-old would have been third if the jockey had continued to ride. **

I don't see how the adjudicating panel had any other choice. That S W-C did the right thing for the horse, isn't in doubt, but to condone the conduct of a jockey who doesn't continue to ride to the finish cannot be right. If anyone's responsible, it would be the owner and the trainer, but the rider, for entirely the right ethical reasons, decided to spare the horse and his judgement, though correct means that he is the one who carries the responsibility.

Should the panel concerned have accepted the rider's decision and taken no action would have set a precedent for others to claim the same and the future could well be one of other claims and to cover race-fixing.

I applaud the jockey for his honourable decision and likewise the owners for offering the horse immediate retirement, but sadly, the decision was entirely correct and it stands. Strangely perhaps, it wasn't a case of right or wrong, but protecting the sport of steeplechasing, and as such whilst perhaps not applauded, it should be accepted with good grace.

Alec.
 
Orangehorse said:
There was another horse that ran in the Gold Cup and then in the Grand National and he fell and broke his neck at Bechers.
Think it might have been Johnjo O'Neil riding it too. Name started with A. It was a good, top class horse.
Rather ironic, but I think that Synchronised was just desperately, desperately unlucky.
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I think this was Alverton possibly the year Aldaniti won, I could be wrong
 
I think Alverton is correct - didn't he actually win the Gold Cup.

Going back to the thread, I does seem a harsh decision, when you think of all the horses run out of a place as the line approaches.
 
It was Alverton, he was one of my favourite horses.

Personally I think the fact Sam.W.C failed in his appeal is a backward step, horse welfare should always come first and with the antis doing their best to stop our sport I really see this as shooting ourselves in the foot. Apart from Alec Ive not seen another post and that includes the RP fb site agreeing with the stewards decision. We've seen fatalities at Cheltenham and I hope and pray we dont see any at Aintree, we have to show that welfare comes first.

My biggest bugbear and Im an avid racing fan is seeing horses out of contention, out on their feet continue to jump fences with the resulting fatal fall.
 
Dobiegirl said:
It was Alverton, he was one of my favourite horses.

Personally I think the fact Sam.W.C failed in his appeal is a backward step, horse welfare should always come first and with the antis doing their best to stop our sport I really see this as shooting ourselves in the foot. Apart from Alec Ive not seen another post and that includes the RP fb site agreeing with the stewards decision. We've seen fatalities at Cheltenham and I hope and pray we dont see any at Aintree, we have to show that welfare comes first.

My biggest bugbear and Im an avid racing fan is seeing horses out of contention, out on their feet continue to jump fences with the resulting fatal fall.
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He would have been ok with the stewards if Long Run had been pulled up but the problem was he was eased coming up to the line, which meant he lost 3rd place. The rules are that you have to gain the best possible placing and he didn't. The fact that it was Long Run and he was retired after the race is irrelevant.
 
Just seen that they have changed the dates of the suspension so that Sam can ride in the National, the whole think is a PR joke really.
 
I think that Alec has a point and he could have continued to hands and heels the horse without hitting it.
 
Dobiegirl said:
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My biggest bugbear and Im an avid racing fan is seeing horses out of contention, out on their feet continue to jump fences with the resulting fatal fall.
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I agree with you and without question; to see a horse which is simply exhausted being pushed to continue, is indeed a sorry sight and does nothing for horse racing, BUT and it must be considered, the racing of horses is all about gambling. Were there no gamblers then there'd be no racing, that must be obvious. Were the horse at the back of the field, with no chance of a placing, then he'd have been pulled up. He wasn't, the panel considered that the horse 'could' have held third place, and therein is the problem.

Imagine that a punter had put £5k E/W on Long Run, and the view of those who judge the riders was that the horse could have managed third place, how do we think that they'd feel?

All that I'm doing is defending the panel who adjudged S W-C, not what happened. I do feel, and strongly, that those who adjudicate such performances need to start to consider the horse itself and whether the right welfare decisions were taken by the rider. It is though a slippery slope, and I'm really not sure where the answers lie.

Alec.
 
Alec Swan said:
I agree with you and without question; to see a horse which is simply exhausted being pushed to continue, is indeed a sorry sight and does nothing for horse racing, BUT and it must be considered, the racing of horses is all about gambling. Were there no gamblers then there'd be no racing, that must be obvious. Were the horse at the back of the field, with no chance of a placing, then he'd have been pulled up. He wasn't, the panel considered that the horse 'could' have held third place, and therein is the problem.

Imagine that a punter had put £5k E/W on Long Run, and the view of those who judge the riders was that the horse could have managed third place, how do we think that they'd feel?

All that I'm doing is defending the panel who adjudged S W-C, not what happened. I do feel, and strongly, that those who adjudicate such performances need to start to consider the horse itself and whether the right welfare decisions were taken by the rider. It is though a slippery slope, and I'm really not sure where the answers lie.

Alec.
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They do consider the horses welfare, it's not all about betting. If Long Run was that tired then he would have pulled up but what happened clearly broke the rules, you are not allowed to ease a horse on the run in, Sam knew that which would be why he started riding again when he was passed. Horses have to be seen to run on their merits, Long Run should have been third and the stewards took the only decision they could. Changing the dates after the ban is a joke though !
 
Alec Swan said:
I agree with you and without question; to see a horse which is simply exhausted being pushed to continue, is indeed a sorry sight and does nothing for horse racing, BUT and it must be considered, the racing of horses is all about gambling. Were there no gamblers then there'd be no racing, that must be obvious. Were the horse at the back of the field, with no chance of a placing, then he'd have been pulled up. He wasn't, the panel considered that the horse 'could' have held third place, and therein is the problem.

Imagine that a punter had put £5k E/W on Long Run, and the view of those who judge the riders was that the horse could have managed third place, how do we think that they'd feel?

All that I'm doing is defending the panel who adjudged S W-C, not what happened. I do feel, and strongly, that those who adjudicate such performances need to start to consider the horse itself and whether the right welfare decisions were taken by the rider. It is though a slippery slope, and I'm really not sure where the answers lie.

Alec.
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I did not read all this wafffle alec, once you banged all about " racing is all about gambling", it is not, plenty of people go racing and they are not serious gamblers. People who put real money down to make a living can gamble on plenty of sports. They will not usually gain from betting at the racecourse. They usually go for the social aspects.
Racing is not run for the benefit of Bookmakers.
If people get upset about losing a tenner they have a problem. No one forced them to go racing or bet on the horse.
PS no one was on E/W , it was a 7 horse race and 1/2 on fav.
 
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