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Hedge_pig

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Hi all, I haven’t posted here for a good few years but could really use some outside views as I don’t have very many horse people I can talk this through with in real life. Sorry it’s long!

I’ve got two horses, both non-ridden 19 year old mares kept at home, one I own and was my ridden horse before she retired and one I’ve fostered from a charity for the last 8 years, I think of her as my own at this point. I stopped riding 10 years ago after a bad accident on my horse and decided to retire her and keep her as a field ornament as she has always been an angel on the ground and seemed quite suited to retired life. She and her companion have lived out together 24/7 year round by themselves pretty much since.

There are a number of issues that have come to a head in the last year or so and this week I’ve realised we’ve hit a bit of a crisis point. My health isn’t good, I’ve got a couple of chronic illnesses that cause fatigue and this year I’ve acquired a knee injury and shoulder injury that haven’t healed to add to the back injury from the fall and another old shoulder injury, I’m down to one good knee. My husband is an absolute saint and has taken over the poopicking all winter, but the physical element of horse care has become very difficult and it’s clear this isn’t sustainable without more help.

Alongside this, my companion pony has been struggling this year, I noticed last Spring she was looking a bit stiff behind on both legs and got the vet out who flexion tested her, got a strong pain response and suggested it was arthritis and to put her on 2 bute a day. Since then she has found any sort of handling of her legs extremely aversive. I have trimmed both horses myself since I’ve had them but from that point I struggled to get a good trim on her and after my shoulder injury meant I had to stop doing it myself I called in some help from a wonderfully patient farrier. It has taken us about 3 months of her coming almost weekly to get to a point where we can get all 4 feet trimmed. She’s very nervous and very stubborn at the same time, so it’s taken a lot of time and gentle persuasion.

She now has an abscess. Vet has been out and dug it out and poulticed under sedation, and I re-poulticed last night, but this morning she has reverted to not letting anyone near her legs, and I can’t get another poultice on, she’s very unhappy. I’m going to try some oral sedative, but I’m not hopeful as they’ve never had much effect on her in the past. I’m worried about turning her out in the mud with a hole in her foot but it seems like I have very little option at the moment.

To add to the leg handling issue, she came to me very headshy and has become completely intolerant of a headcollar so everything is done on a neck rope, fine for most things but doesn’t have the pressure needed to lead her anywhere she doesn’t want to go. Vet, dentist, wormer all done under sedation. She’s also become pretty averse to the stable over the years, as they live out she’s only really come in for vet/dentist etc so has built up a negative association, which I’m currently trying to undo but was in early stages when the abscess happened. Absolutely no chance whatsoever she’d load these days, it took me an hour to get her on the lorry to where we are now 6 years ago and she was a lot more amenable to things back then.

It’s become very clear to me that we cannot go on this way as she becomes older and in need of more care and handling. I think she needs some real behavioural support work to allow her to cope with normal life again, and at 19 it’s going to be a difficult slog, I assume whatever happened to her in her early years is now coming home to roost with her feeling more vulnerable as she ages (I don’t know much about her background before she came to the charity). With my health issues it’s just not feasible for me to do much of this myself, even poulticing has left me in some pain, and I’m wondering how much longer I can manage simple yard work. I always have the option to return her to the charity, but I worry about the emotional impact of splitting the two of them up after all these years as well as the practicalities. My horse absolutely would not cope on her own and has had behavioural issues in group settings in the past so moving her to e.g. retirement livery in a herd is also unlikely be to straightforward, and she needs 24/7 year round turnout to stay sane. If they were both in a similar situation, i.e. both becoming a bit doddery and finding life difficult I would consider pts together, but my horse has never had a day sick or sorry, she’s so healthy she’s probably going to outlive me.

My setup was absolutely perfect for all our odd little quirks when we were all healthy, but now things have all gone a bit wonky together and I’m finding it hard to think through all my options. Clearly I need to talk to the charity but I’m hoping to have some idea of a plan before I start making calls. I’m hoping you wise ladies (and gents) can help come up with some ideas I haven’t thought of. Thank you for reading.
 
WOuld it be possible to get someone in a few times a week to help you out? If you were doing less day in day out you might get a chance to rest up and things would seem less overwhelming. Also a regular person coming in would be able to earn the rescue's trust and so may be able to help you more with her problems. I'd also speak to the charity so you know exactly where you stand if she continues to deteriorate or needs increasingly costly treatment.
 
Also I don’t have space for more than 2, although could possibly manage a mini when the ground dries up, still leaves me with the physical issues too. At this point I’m also not sure how I could return foster pony to the charity if she’s unlikely to load.
 
WOuld it be possible to get someone in a few times a week to help you out? If you were doing less day in day out you might get a chance to rest up and things would seem less overwhelming. Also a regular person coming in would be able to earn the rescue's trust and so may be able to help you more with her problems. I'd also speak to the charity so you know exactly where you stand if she continues to deteriorate or needs increasingly costly treatment.
Thanks it’s definitely one option, although I’m mindful of the increasing costs of things. I work part time around my illnesses at the moment, but worrying about long term finances (I’m only 40 so no retirement in sight).
 
I'm so sorry that someone so young (40 is!), has to make these decisions, I did but in my late 60's. I don't think it is wrong to pts an otherwise healthy horse if keeping them would cause distress to them or you to be honest. Your health is very important, you have a lot of years ahead of you so perhaps you might need to change direction?
 
As someone with long term health issues I would be seriously looking at speaking to the charity and telling them you can't keep their horse any longer. IMO she sounds as though she is pretty unhappy while on 2 bute a day and PTS would probably be the kindest option.

As for your own mare it's more difficult. From your post she sounds as though she doesn't have the major health issues of the companion horse. You could try and find a loan home as a companion although this can be tricky and would require a lot of homework to make sure any home offered was a good fit for her and there is always the risk she could be returned at short notice. You could look for another companion but you could end up in a similar situation again and this doesn't ease your work load and your health will still be affected.

In all honesty I would seriously consider both being PTS. It will be awful when it happens but neither horse will suffer in any way and neither will have uncertain futures. This would also allow you to manage your health better - fatigue requires good management skills - and I suspect after getting over the upset you may well feel significantly better yourself.
 
I'm so sorry that someone so young (40 is!), has to make these decisions, I did but in my late 60's. I don't think it is wrong to pts an otherwise healthy horse if keeping them would cause distress to them or you to be honest. Your health is very important, you have a lot of years ahead of you so perhaps you might need to change direction?
Thank you for your kindness. It’s taken a while to admit defeat and I have just enough good days that I convince myself I can manage, but it only takes a tiny abscess to knock everything over. These are certainly my last horses, I need a slower pace of life sadly.
 
As someone with long term health issues I would be seriously looking at speaking to the charity and telling them you can't keep their horse any longer. IMO she sounds as though she is pretty unhappy while on 2 bute a day and PTS would probably be the kindest option.

As for your own mare it's more difficult. From your post she sounds as though she doesn't have the major health issues of the companion horse. You could try and find a loan home as a companion although this can be tricky and would require a lot of homework to make sure any home offered was a good fit for her and there is always the risk she could be returned at short notice. You could look for another companion but you could end up in a similar situation again and this doesn't ease your work load and your health will still be affected.

In all honesty I would seriously consider both being PTS. It will be awful when it happens but neither horse will suffer in any way and neither will have uncertain futures. This would also allow you to manage your health better - fatigue requires good management skills - and I suspect after getting over the upset you may well feel significantly better yourself.
Thank you, I’m also wondering about the companion’s quality of life, I had thought the issues with handling her legs were purely behavioural but it could be uncontrolled pain, I had (maybe naively) assumed the bute would have it under control but could be worth a chat with the vet.

My horse is definitely the tricky one, she has no health issues whatsoever, fit as a fiddle. On the behavioural side she’s very capable of living in a stable herd with some slow introductions, but she has a history of resource guarding other horses, which becomes an issue when you want to remove her favourite! Not such an issue for the right retirement herd, but it’ll take some hunting.

Loaning her as a companion wouldn’t be an option sadly, if we no longer had the horses we’d sell up and move asap, we only bought the property for them. It’s miles away from our families and it’s too much for us to manage really so we couldn’t have her back, and I absolutely wouldn’t sell her for obvious reasons. She’s the toughest thing to resolve in all this really.

Setting up on my own was my dream and I’m really struggling with the thought of dismantling it all so early, but as you say I suspect it might make a drastic (positive) difference to my own quality of life.
 
@Hedge_pig I totally understand your dilemma, I have had ongoing health battles for many years, I'm a good bit older than you and it took a long time to find a balance in my life. Now we don't own any horses I have the time and energy to do other things when I feel able, previously it was all horses and hospital appointments! I'm lucky in that I still have plenty of horsey interaction through teaching and our livery yard without the physical work but things like helping with an RDA group or similar could help fill the void if you felt like it.
 
@Hedge_pig I totally understand your dilemma, I have had ongoing health battles for many years, I'm a good bit older than you and it took a long time to find a balance in my life. Now we don't own any horses I have the time and energy to do other things when I feel able, previously it was all horses and hospital appointments! I'm lucky in that I still have plenty of horsey interaction through teaching and our livery yard without the physical work but things like helping with an RDA group or similar could help fill the void if you felt like it.
I’m sorry to hear you’ve struggled with your health too, it takes up so much headspace trying to manage things. I’ve been ill for about 10 years and managed ok, albeit with lots of rest and letting things slide where they needed to, but this year with the injuries has tipped it over the edge from just about managing to not really managing at all.

Sadly I’ve lost all love for the horse life in all this, but hopefully if it was no longer a slog I might fall back in love again.
 
Thank you, I’m also wondering about the companion’s quality of life, I had thought the issues with handling her legs were purely behavioural but it could be uncontrolled pain, I had (maybe naively) assumed the bute would have it under control but could be worth a chat with the vet.

My horse is definitely the tricky one, she has no health issues whatsoever, fit as a fiddle. On the behavioural side she’s very capable of living in a stable herd with some slow introductions, but she has a history of resource guarding other horses, which becomes an issue when you want to remove her favourite! Not such an issue for the right retirement herd, but it’ll take some hunting.

Loaning her as a companion wouldn’t be an option sadly, if we no longer had the horses we’d sell up and move asap, we only bought the property for them. It’s miles away from our families and it’s too much for us to manage really so we couldn’t have her back, and I absolutely wouldn’t sell her for obvious reasons. She’s the toughest thing to resolve in all this really.

Setting up on my own was my dream and I’m really struggling with the thought of dismantling it all so early, but as you say I suspect it might make a drastic (positive) difference to my own quality of life.
Would you be able to send them both to grass retirement livery, allow your mare to find other friends, and then the charity horse either is pts if still unable to be happy, or goes back to charity if health returns? This then enables the bad loading charity horse to perhaps load ok if other mare is with them to travel to retirement livery.
But I get that this option requires financials to be feasible. For many it’s not, but it does sound like charity horse isn’t doing well and so it’s likely the investment of livery will be for 1 longterm, not 2 horses.
It’s so difficult, but I’m understanding your physical limitations sounds like you’re saying you can’t continue with them at home anymore, and that needs solving?
 
Would you be able to send them both to grass retirement livery, allow your mare to find other friends, and then the charity horse either is pts if still unable to be happy, or goes back to charity if health returns? This then enables the bad loading charity horse to perhaps load ok if other mare is with them to travel to retirement livery.
But I get that this option requires financials to be feasible. For many it’s not, but it does sound like charity horse isn’t doing well and so it’s likely the investment of livery will be for 1 longterm, not 2 horses.
It’s so difficult, but I’m understanding your physical limitations sounds like you’re saying you can’t continue with them at home anymore, and that needs solving?
It’s something I had considered, although still not 100% companion would load even with her buddy, maybe if I threatened to drive off without her ☺️. The financials are the biggest worry there as you say, and finding somewhere with 2 spaces that will be able to manage my tricky mare is going to be a bit of a needle in a haystack, even if it is likely to be somewhat temporary for companion.

Yes it’s the physical side of things I also need to resolve, I can’t keep asking my husband to do the bulk of the work, and it’s not only the horse management but the rest of the property too. With only him able to work on things most of the time and his time being taken up with the yard jobs the place is starting to need real attention, the garden is a mess, the house needs redecorating etc.

Realistically it’s too much for one and a bit people to manage, we need to think about selling up in the not too distant future. I was holding out hope that my health would improve (and still am), but I think I need to start really planning for that not being the case.
 
Could you look at potentially sending your companion horse back then advertising for someone to keep their horse with your’s? This would provide a companion but not one that you look after, so would cut down on the amount of poo picking etc. You could even use the money to get someone freelance to help out a bit too.
 
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