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Hi i have decided to put my springer bitch in pup. I am experienced in breeding horses but this is all new to me never done it before
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. Has anyone got a nice springer dog that is not too far from me i am in Cheshire. Gracie is the show type springer with a really good pedigree and i would really like it if she were put to a working type springer. She is due in season in a couple of weeks , i am not bothered if i have to wait for next season there is no rush. Thanks for reading any advice would be really appreciated
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If your not to experienced in dog breeding...u will firstly need to get her health tested i.e heart, eyes, hip scores...same for dog and dont forget to be a responsible breeder and explain to all prospective purchasers that u will take the puppies/dogs back at any stage in their life should the purchaser no longer be able to keep them.(Probably points u already covered) but worth a mention
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Also if first litter keep a continguancy for any complications..i.e caesarean. good luck
 
Just curious - why would you put a show springer to a working springer? I don't know anyone who has done that.
There are clear differences between the two types and most show springer owners wouldn't dream of putting their dog to a stud working dog.
A show springer can be worked or showed but a x between the two will mean showing is out of the question.
 
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If your not to experienced in dog breeding...u will firstly need to get her health tested i.e heart, eyes, hip scores...same for dog and dont forget to be a responsible breeder and explain to all prospective purchasers that u will take the puppies/dogs back at any stage in their life should the purchaser no longer be able to keep them.(Probably points u already covered) but worth a mention
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Also if first litter keep a continguancy for any complications..i.e caesarean. good luck

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Explain?
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I've made them sign a contract which says they can't ever give the dog away or sell it, it has to come back to me where it will then be rehomed. Shame more don't do this...would halve your workload!
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If she hasn't been hipscored then that could 6 weeks to come back.
 
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I had to sign a similar contract when buying Rhu, but I also cannot take him out of the country, breed or show him without his breeders permission. It's fairly normal for the breed.

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I did for mine aswell, all BI's have breeding restrictions which are only lifted after hip scores and evaluation. Some of my next litter will be sold with non-breeding contracts too.
 
Ditto! He needs to pass his exams first too. I think it is very sensible, and don't feel restricted at all by it. I have hopes of Rhu being a stud dog, as does his breeder but it will only be if he turns out to be top quality, and good enough to pass of his genes into the breed.
 
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If your not to experienced in dog breeding...u will firstly need to get her health tested i.e heart, eyes, hip scores...same for dog and dont forget to be a responsible breeder and explain to all prospective purchasers that u will take the puppies/dogs back at any stage in their life should the purchaser no longer be able to keep them.(Probably points u already covered) but worth a mention
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Also if first litter keep a continguancy for any complications..i.e caesarean. good luck

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Explain?
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I've made them sign a contract which says they can't ever give the dog away or sell it, it has to come back to me where it will then be rehomed. Shame more don't do this...would halve your workload!
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If she hasn't been hipscored then that could 6 weeks to come back.

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Tis what I meant u had more time and worded it better
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yep shame...all dont do this...then would banish the work load..lol
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I think he's the type of dog you just see in a breed book sometimes.
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Most people we meet think he's a collie x

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Without insulting him thats what I thought he was! Lovely colour.
 
Thanks for your advice she has had all the relevant health checks etc and the reason i wanted to put her to a working type is because i am not into showing, gracie has never been shown and i wanted to sell the puppies for pets or working dogs not show dogs. I will have a look on some of the websites and see what i can find thanks again everyone
 
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I had to sign a similar contract when buying Rhu, but I also cannot take him out of the country, breed or show him without his breeders permission. It's fairly normal for the breed.

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I did for mine aswell, all BI's have breeding restrictions which are only lifted after hip scores and evaluation. Some of my next litter will be sold with non-breeding contracts too.

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Only trouble with that is it relies on the people complying with the contract
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To op, why put a show type to a working type?
Show dogs can be worked and even if not up to top show standared will make fab pets, a cross will be neither one thing or the other.
I would look for a good show stud and look for her next season so you have time to get her tests back.
Good luck.
 
I have to agree with you there ANIMA.....we have strict contracts when we rehome...to satate animal must never be parted with exept to return back to us...recently we have taken 2 people to court.
1. being a horse
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...yes we have re-homed horses..
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2.being a dog.

Both did not adhere to contracts....luckily we chip all the animals we rehome perminantley to us aswell as new owner
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so there is no hiding from my mother...when it comes to disobeying her rehoming rules
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Needless to say she won both cases...costing the adoptees over £3000 between them in legal costs.....and we have the animals back.
However if we did not chip them...we would not have a clue....so u have a very fair point......but its a start and better than nothing which some irrisponsible breeders do
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When I look for a puppy to become a working dog I am afraid that I would always only choose one that had both parents as working dogs - not too worried about them being registered though if I know the dogs.
 
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Only trouble with that is it relies on the people complying with the contract
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But the BI's wouldn't register the pups so the pups would be worthless and if they used a different breed dog who would buy the pups?
 
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I have to agree with you there ANIMA.....we have strict contracts when we rehome...to satate animal must never be parted with exept to return back to us...recently we have taken 2 people to court.
1. being a horse
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...yes we have re-homed horses..
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2.being a dog.

Both did not adhere to contracts....luckily we chip all the animals we rehome perminantley to us aswell as new owner
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so there is no hiding from my mother...when it comes to disobeying her rehoming rules
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Needless to say she won both cases...costing the adoptees over £3000 between them in legal costs.....and we have the animals back.
However if we did not chip them...we would not have a clue....so u have a very fair point......but its a start and better than nothing which some irrisponsible breeders do
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The pups would be chipped too. Glad to hear you won the case!
 
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I have to agree with you there ANIMA.....we have strict contracts when we rehome...to satate animal must never be parted with exept to return back to us...recently we have taken 2 people to court.
1. being a horse
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...yes we have re-homed horses..
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2.being a dog.

Both did not adhere to contracts....luckily we chip all the animals we rehome perminantley to us aswell as new owner
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so there is no hiding from my mother...when it comes to disobeying her rehoming rules
smirk.gif
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Needless to say she won both cases...costing the adoptees over £3000 between them in legal costs.....and we have the animals back.
However if we did not chip them...we would not have a clue....so u have a very fair point......but its a start and better than nothing which some irrisponsible breeders do
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The pups would be chipped too. Glad to hear you won the case!

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Thankyou...it was well pleasing....I personallly was grinning like a cheshire cat..lol
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solicitor thought we where bonkers...esp in the case of the horse...he soon changed his mind...
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To the OP - I wouldn't cross a show with a working. I have always had Springers and it is just not something I would be interested in.

To everyone re: the clauses in the buying contracts - OMG I never knew these things existed! Not being able to take the dog abroad? What if the owner wants to emigrate?!

What would you do if an unspade bitch was raped and the owner wasn't aware she was in pup until too late?

Do you curtail the breeding rights so that the breeds do not get too popular over here?

What if someone had to get rid of their dog (say they changed work hours, out of their hands) and wanted to give the dog to their friend/family member so they still saw it?
 
You have all given me something to think about i think it would be best to put her to a show type i can see what you mean. Can't you just tell i am a novice at dog breeding!! I will start looking around for a show type springer and see what i can find. All this information you have all given me is great thanks very much.
 
I wouldn't stop a dog going abroad whether on holiday or otherwise.

Then in my opinion the owner was irresponsible, if the bitch was left alone in an area there might be dogs around when on heat long enough for them to tie without the owner noticing/hearing then its irresponsible ownership, if he/she noticed then its easy enough to pop her to the vets and sort the problem.

No, its to improve the breed.

Then it would have to be returned to the breeder and then the original owners friends/family would have to apply to rehome him/her.

It really is responsible breeding Weezy, if more did it Cala wouldn't have so much work.
 
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To everyone re: the clauses in the buying contracts - OMG I never knew these things existed! Not being able to take the dog abroad? What if the owner wants to emigrate?!

What would you do if an unspade bitch was raped and the owner wasn't aware she was in pup until too late?

Do you curtail the breeding rights so that the breeds do not get too popular over here?

What if someone had to get rid of their dog (say they changed work hours, out of their hands) and wanted to give the dog to their friend/family member so they still saw it?

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Our breeder has that clause about going abroad because the genes are too valuable. I could sell Rhu for triple what I paid for him in Canada, Norway, Sweden etc. They need the dogs to stay in the UK to sucessfully continue the breed.

They don't curtail the breeding in case they get too popular, but in case they are inbred, or breed irresponsibly (crossbreeds, overbred, etc). There aren't very many lines to choose from. The breeder that I got Rhu from has just imported a stud dog from Poland to give the breed a bit of a boost in the UK.

We had to be approved by the breeder before taking Rhu, and she had turned down a lot of people before us. If we wanted to pass Rhu to friends or family technically she'd have a say in it.

Problem is, Tollers can be excitable, energetic, large and loud! So some people buy them thinking they are cute when they need a strong figure in the household, they need to know their place and have lots of mental as well physical exertion. The breeder we got Rhu from had 2 puppies returned to her at 16 and 25 weeks so she had to be careful.
 
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To the OP - I wouldn't cross a show with a working. I have always had Springers and it is just not something I would be interested in.

To everyone re: the clauses in the buying contracts - OMG I never knew these things existed! Not being able to take the dog abroad? What if the owner wants to emigrate?!

What would you do if an unspade bitch was raped and the owner wasn't aware she was in pup until too late?

Do you curtail the breeding rights so that the breeds do not get too popular over here?

What if someone had to get rid of their dog (say they changed work hours, out of their hands) and wanted to give the dog to their friend/family member so they still saw it?

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I suppose the last point is the only one that applies to us as in our rescue contracts.....we will not allow adoptees to pass a dog on to family or friends...without first contacting us for concent ...we will then do a home check and have the new owner sign the contract....if they are suitable.
We neuter all of our dogs before they go...and if they are to young...they are pre-booked to be returned for neuter before a first season...if for any reason they have an unusually early season and get caught...we will spay whilst in pup, and would be pretty darn angry it got caught in the first place
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The way the dog popolation and rescue/rehoming is getting out of hand the stricter the rules via breeders the better.
Its not just xbreeds that are packing the rescue centers...its mostly pedigrees we are dealing with and some very well breed and costly ones at that
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Ha Ha...funny u menion that...Im in the process of getting one set up...watch this space...lol

Im gonna try aand post some new piccies today...cos Gina B has been on my case lol
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Will keep u updated
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Thanks guys
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It does all make sense of course, I just had never come across restrictions. I absolutely agree with curtailing breeding for breeding sake and there are plenty of people who want to breed just to make a buck and that has to stop.
 
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Only trouble with that is it relies on the people complying with the contract
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But the BI's wouldn't register the pups so the pups would be worthless and if they used a different breed dog who would buy the pups?

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Not so much of an issue in your breed because they are still so rare here, but say a GSD,plenty of them about and sadly plenty of people who think a few £££ of "going rate" for a pup is more important then good breeding and the knowledge that all the proper health checks had been done
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Once the pups are off to new homes unless the new owner keeps in contact with the breeder there is sod all the breeder can do.

I really do think contracts are a fab idear and when they work are brilliant
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